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What are the financial resources for a group such as the CRWC – The Clinton River Watershed Council of SouthEast Michigan ?

They rely a lot on unpaid volunteers to provide grunt labor on various clean-up projects.
NonProfits need to file a Form 990 showing where those dollars go.

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The Federal Government has been involved with the Red Run section of the Clinton River via the USA Corps of Engineers since the 1960s.

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Clinton gets $20 Million EPA

An article in The Voice, Thursday, February 26, 2015, by Paul Kampe described an EPA pledge of $ 20 million dollars to aid the Clinton River.

If you have concerns about the Red Run Drain, 12TownsDrain, Kuhn Retention Basin storm water — speak up NOW !!!

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The EPA program focuses on 11 projects through the Clinton River watershed along the Clinton River, its tributaries and the mouth of Lake St. Clair.

The Clinton River (PAC) –Public Advisory Council will do projects involving streambank restoration, woody debris management, and native plants.

Turn Wastewater into Fresh

The GLWA and DWSD need to thoroughly and actively research what others cities are doing.

Is the Great Lakes State really on the cutting edge of Fresh Water Technology , or do others beat the pants off us ?

http://www.innovationtoronto.com/2015/02/an-efficient-way-to-turn-wastewater-into-fresh-water/

Water reality check

There is an amazing amount of rhetoric , noise and buzz about people “” supposedly “” too poor to pay their water bills around the MetroDetroit area. There is also a major lack of evidence , concerning extreme inordinate unsurmountable Monthly Water Bills.

People in and around Detroit , simply have not posted their water bills , online, within social media, on the internet, for others to view. I suspect it is because the water bills were neglected, de-prioritized, deemed un-important enough to pay In Full, for a fresh zero balance, each and every month.

It may be tough, unfair, inaccurate, to compare Detroit to other cities. …nag,nag,nag, whine, whine. Get over it, It Happens if you like it or not. There is some truth in the charts. Especially when similar numbers pop up repeatedly on various different comparative mechanisms. Maybe you really do waste a ton of water, every single day, all year long. image image image image If people really were truly outraged, incensed, furious, we would be seeing 100,000 scans, copies, smartphone pics, on InstaGram, Pinterest, Facebook, etc etc etc etc proving the injustice. If it is seriously bad, you’ve sought out assistance already, right ?

Clean, disinfected, purified, pressurized, drinkable water, distributed to residential kitchen faucets is a SERVICE that costs money. Yeah, the price went up a bit recently, perhaps in a deceitful manner, but it is not forcing people out of their Metro-Detroit homes.

People need to re-think priorities. You cannot drink a Tweet, swallow a gallon of Gasoline,  quench your thirst with Comcast, or flush your toilet with Cigarettes. Drinkable Water comes first, everything else is secondary. Think about it all for a second. Let’s stop the bullshit , No one is wiping your debt.

Precisely how pipes burst

This guy explains ( in high scientific detail ) why pipes burst in a highly similar manner all over the world. Scroll down to read about the molecules, the bonds, the physics involved , in bursting water pipes during the winter months

http://www.datagenetics.com/blog/december22013/index.html

Water is an amazing substance . Most liquids do not expand before transition to solid.

GLWA so far

Nothing to be impressed about .
It appears they don’t have enough info to accurately determine much of anything.

Is anyone surprised ?

NOTICE how the month of May was referenced, May 2014 ?
It’s February 2015 now.

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WDET News – Hackel Frustrated

Hackel appears to be following LBrooksP lead and the representatives that were picked,  are very silent on the proposed rate increases for the suburbs.

http://wdet.org/news/story/021015-Hackel-Water/#.VNoVLUtUAUs.twitter

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Learn more about it all :

http://www.semcog.org/uploadedFiles/Data_and_Maps/Map_library/WWTPandSewered(1).pdf

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Warren Wetlands Inventory

Warren Michigan is a LOT wetter than you might think it is.
Detailed land analysis clearly shows the Wetlands of Warren.
The Red Run was once natural.

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shown below.

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FEMA Reform

FEMA helped many people in Macomb and Oakland counties last year ( 2014 ).

I have little doubt Warren, Michigan and nearby cities will experience more flooding from communities at higher elevations with Combined Sewer Overflow issues.

Oakland County 12 Towns District sends its storm water to us – pure and simple. Water finds its own level, and at about 620 ft above sea level – everything begins to get wet in Warren.

http://www.emergencymgmt.com/emergency-blogs/disaster-zone/Reformfemabutpleasekeepthemoneyflowingtomydistrict.html

Great Lakes Clean Community 

The GLCCN – An organization and network that probably will do a lot more for the local water quality around us than the GLWA ever will:

Google : GLCCN Michigan

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GLWA chaos already

An article on an NPR website details the chaotic start of GLWA for Macomb, Oakland and Wayne counties. It is causing apprehension and mis-trust right out of the starting gates for 2015 in Michigan.

wvpe.org/post/great-lakes-water-authority-trouble

Warren is special

Warren is indeed unique concerning water issues in Metro Detroit. It has a Water Treatment plant, it has stormwater entering from OaklandCounty via The Red Run and it has The Interceptor aka OMID bisecting the city.

Warren needs to be connected to The Interceptor and this has already been preliminarily approved. Politics is getting in the way, hindering flood relief for residents.

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Sewer Piping Systems

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Drinking Water Systems

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Politics of Elevation

Do those living at a higher elevation get to impose their will upon those below ?

How exactly are those at a lower elevation, in another county, supposed to fight an onslaught of repeated flooding over nearly 100 years of engineered systems designed to funnel stormwater into their neighborhoods ?  Was some compensation paid, a barter to be had, some trade-off,  so enormously valuable to the lower elevation people, that they said  ” Okay, Flood Me ”  ?

Oakland County took the easy way out.
Instead of fixing its Combined Sewer System,
and separating the pipes into 2 unique systems,
– it opted to dump into the Red Run Drain, aka Clinton River.

Who suffers from this strategy ? – Those downstream
People living alongside the Clinton River tributaries in MACOMB County.

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Red Run EPA EnviroMapper

Red Run EPA EnviroMapper

NOTICE that huge gap, hole, bare empty spot, of the EPA EnviroMap
to the West of Warren on the map ( left of the red arrow ) ?
That is what you see in the picture, featured below,
– as the 12 Towns Drain aka Kuhn Retention Basin.

ALL that water, from 12 individual separate Towns, flows via gravity,
by elevation, by topography, into Warren , into the Clinton River , flowing downstream.

Will the newly formed GLWA, oversee Inter-County Drain projects,
and the legal ramifications encountered by dumping stormwater
into an antiquated system that surcharges existing street systems ?

Maybe the lawsuits from residents downstream need to
become Inter-County and Regional or State Level as well.
Perhaps outright superior force is the only strategy that wins.
No doubt another “incident”, “event”, “flood” might just be the
straw breaking the camels back, causing massive public outcry.

The media has been SILENT on what was fixed, remedied, re-engineered
from the last major flooding incident, so it will happen again, right ?
I have not read one article about Co-Operation between Counties.

Governor Snyder might as well just fill in the Red Run with dirt,
sealing it permanently shut at Dequindre Road, once and for all.

At least then it could be used as a Inter-County Biking Trail.
Then Oakland County would be forced to find alternate solutions,
instead of using the Clinton River as a dumping ground for CSO of stormwater.

Why does Rain at Greenfield and 8 Mile
become stormwater that flows through Warren ?

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DETAILED Kuhn Retention Basin area

DETAILED Kuhn Retention Basin area

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Oak Park Kuhn Retention Red Run

Oak Park Kuhn Retention Red Run

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GWK Drainage System

GWK Drainage System

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Red Run The last 100 years

Red Run The last 100 years

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1958 Commissioner and Red Run

1958 Commissioner and Red Run

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Red Run Madison Heights text

Red Run Madison Heights text

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Overview USACE Red Run Study

Overview USACE Red Run Study

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Red Run as Flood Control Act 1970

Red Run as Flood Control Act 1970

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Red Run watershed

Red Run watershed

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Combined Sewers SouthEast Michigan

Combined Sewers SouthEast Michigan

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Red Run

Red Run

Trusting government

The City of Flint has a large Drinking Water distribution problem right now in January 2015. It sent out notices to residents regarding trihalomathanes in the drinking water coming out of their home faucets. An excess of the maximum contaminant level over many years may cause problems with people’s liver, kidneys or central nervous system and have an increased risk of getting cancer.

Setting health guidelines is a balancing act of Economics and Medical Science

Extremely stringent guidelines are often prohibitively expensive, yet “loose” constraints make residents feel apprehensive, scared and uncomfortable.  Water is one of those commodities where people want it as cheap as possible, yet subconsciously they realize there are substantial costs involved in providing pristine, clear, pressurized, clean drinking water.

Trihalomethane is a common byproduct in municipal systems that are treated with chlorine to disinfect the water. The EPA standards are set based on someone drinking 2 liters of water a day. Some folks who are elderly, or have a severely compromised immune system, may want to use carbon filters on their faucets.

Government can do only so much, for a set cost, to protect your family – and they generally do a decent job most of the time. They will never, ever, be able to scrub, filter, remove, everything that gets into the water. You might be well advised to spend a few dollars extra each year with a simple faucet mounted device and replace the cartridges on a timely basis. ONLY when people actually pay more taxes, will the water distribution supply chain improve. It doesn’t happen by wishing, hoping, praying, expecting it to happen. It is everyone’s responsible to pay into the system.

A typical 3 Stage Water Filter

A typical 3 Stage Water Filter

 

 

 

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Bridges shaking infrastructure

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Seismometer

 

What happens to buried water pipes, connectors, etc as they get rattled repeatedly via Bridge traffic for 60 years or more ? People that live near local bridges definitely feel the tremors of heavy laden trucks shaking their houses. Often their picture frames on their walls buzz, vibrate, hum from the bridge traffic.

MDOT does not care about small 5 lane “minor” bridges carrying heavy TractorTrailer Traffic like the one on Ryan Road over the Red Run. It is a “city issue” or “county issue” MDOT wants no part of. I asked in writing via social media.

I wonder what a seismograph test over a 12 month period of modern 2015 actual traffic patterns would reveal. Tremors could be revealed with relatively simple , but sensitive equipment. Even high school science lab equipment can detect earthquakes of a magnitude 3.5 as far away as 50 miles and  magnitude 6.5 quakes anywhere in the world.  Surely the State of Michigan has licensed contractors with electronic equipment that could determine the shakiness, trembling, oscillation, and vibrations given off by Bridge Traffic to determine its effect on buried infrastructure piping laid down 60 years ago.

A high school seismometer set-up for under  $1,000 dollars comes with Windows software that displays a full day’s recording on a single screen and automatically saves and organizes the data for later analysis. The software supports the identification or the different types of ground waves in an earthquake, extraction of the earthquake signal, and determination of the distance and intensity of the quake. Included software filters can be applied to the data to “tune” the display to emphasize typical vibrations , or to eliminate “noise” and show only seismic events.

How it works:

The High School model Seismometer is a vertical seismometer that can detect the    P-and S-waves generated by an earthquake, as well as the slower Rayleigh-type surface waves. The heart of the Seismometer is a long horizontal boom with a heavy magnet and balance weight at one end, hinged by a knife-edge to a vertical post at the other end and supported by a long spring. The movement of this system is damped by a vane immersed in a container of oil. The magnet fits over a coil, and when a vibration or an earth tremor shakes the seismometer, the relative movement of the coil and magnet generates an electric signal in the coil by induction. The signal is amplified in the interface box and passed to the computer to be recorded and displayed on the monitor.

Of course the economic concerns of Big Business Logistics overshadows the enforcement of weight limits, road surface reconstruction costs, and any breakage to underground infrastructure unseen to human eyes. MDOT gets hammered by powerful industry moguls and caves in to them.

When water flows OVER a bridge, it severely stresses the bridge mounting hardware (water weighs 8 lbs per gallon). The flowing river delivers a huge sideways push to the bridge – not a normal stress.

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Red Run Drain overtaking 5 Lane Ryan Road Bridge Warren

 

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Ryan Road Chicago Road Red Run 1997

 

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High Water Mark Ryan Road Red Run Bridge

 

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Side View Red Run Ryan Road Bridge

 

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Flood Plain Elevation Red Run Bridge

 

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Red Run 130 ft Wide 30 ft deep

 

Happy Holidays everyone

A big huge Thank You to all
The blog has 60,000 views to date

Maybe we’ll have some snow flakes
during the week to remind of the
winter season

Snowflake close up

GLWA first meeting

The Great Lakes Water Authority GLWA met on Friday December 12, 2014 downtown Detroit.

GLWA meeting notice

GLWA meeting notice 

 

A state-appointed representative will need to be picked and join the board.

Macomb County has many of its own challenges to overcome, exacerabated via Oakland Counties continued negligence in fixing its own Combined Sewer System, which spills into the Red Run Drain.

Macomb County officials need to man up and stop letting Oakland County run amok. Residents are facing repeated flooding events and demand connections into the Interceptor, to relieve surcharging of the drains in places like Warren.

Hopefully the gentleman from Sterling Heights, acting as a rep in the GLWA, does his background homework on the 12TownsDrain, George Kuhn Retention Basin, and its cause/effect role upon Macomb County residents .

The 4 Quart 24 hr challenge

The challenge asks participants to live on 4 quarts of water;
for 24 hours — including bathing, cooking, drinking, cleaning,etc.
The standard average American uses approx. 100 gallons per day
and the challenge founder wants Americans to think harder about water usage.

4Quarts

4Quarts

Americans take water for granted, despite extensive news coverage
of droughts, extensive pollution concerns, and other media.
If water began to cost $25 a gallon , people would change quickly.
Perhaps it is time, to raise, the cost of drinking water in the USA.
It costs real money to get clean drinkable water, pumped, into your kitchen.

https://www.4liters.org/enter_feed

Once someone actually …HAS TO… live on a gallon day,
then they fundamentally change the way they think about water.

Water is more basic and essential than food.
It is the one item, all 8 Billion of us on the planet,
have to have, on a regular basis to survive, day to day.
Pay those water bills first, it is that important,
and the water bill is pretty damn cheap in the USA.
Don’t want to pay so much, reduce your usage, pay less.
Purified drinking water, pumped to a faucet, costs money.

Chemicals in the Clinton River

The Clinton River shows signs of pesticides, herbicides,
insecticides and fungicides potentially threatening insects and fish.

An article by Eric Freedman in The Great Lakes Echo, December 4, 2014
describes research done on Michigan’s urban streams and rivers.
Michigan State University’s Kellogg Biological Station
(http://www.kbs.msu.edu/)
assisted in the study by the USGS and Department of the Interior.

Rain runoff from golf courses combined with hundreds of thousands
residential homes using “pest control” and numerous industrial parks
using fertilization services; contribute to chemicals in the rivers.
Herbicides applied directly to lakes for control of aquatic plants
also enter into the Clinton River.

It is a cumulative effect, from numerous sources, adding up quickly,
for a total; that monitoring equipment easily detects.
The catch, there are hundreds of different chemicals being used ,
and funding to monitor everywhere, all the time, just does not exist.

The Geological Survey said, “One or more pesticide compounds were
almost always present at detectable levels in stream water.”
The findings are based on tests from 1992 to 2011.

“There were detectable concentrations in water more than
90 percent of the time across all streams sampled that had significant
agricultural or urban land use in their watersheds,” it said.

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Red Run EPA EnviroMapper

Red Run EPA EnviroMapper

Links to the studies
http://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2014/5154/
http://www.kbs.msu.edu/
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es5025367
http://greatlakesecho.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/echo-pesticides.docx
http://greatlakesecho.org/2014/12/04/pesticide-levels-in-rivers-may-threaten-fish-insects/

Open stormdrains and electrical power 2015

Michigan Public Service Commission has said that DTE
– does not – do enough to trim trees near power lines.
Land near waterways poses unique challenges of who owns what
and which easement rights of access need to be observed.
Trees grow well where water is abundant and plentiful.

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Flood Area Warren Sterling Heights

Flood Area Warren Sterling Heights

An article written by Jay Greene in Crain’s Detroit Business
published December 05, 2014 goes on to describe how the
state commission has criticized DTE’s track record on tree trimming.

Power outages to huge amounts of residents and businesses
are blamed on limbs falling on the power lines during storms.

The MPSC has ordered DTE to cut more than their “normal” rights-of-way
to avoid residents having to rely on gas powered generators.
It is no secret to Michigan residents that failure to do
serious tree trimming is the major reason for most power outages.
A MPSC report pulls no punches claiming a full 40 percent of
the tree-related outages were caused by trees growing
outside of the utilities’ official right-of-way corridors.

An excellent place to start would be in Warren and Sterling Heights
where around 260,000 people live near open stormdrain channels.
Numerous other communities also have open waterways with trees
and powerlines criss-crossing the land near the water.

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Red Run watershed

Red Run watershed

Metro Detroit using CRWU from EPA ?

EPA’s Climate Ready Water Utilities (CRWU) initiative assists
the water sector, which includes drinking water, wastewater,
and stormwater utilities, in addressing climate change impacts.
Through the development of practical and easy-to-use tools,
EPA promotes a clear understanding of climate science
and adaptation options by translating complex climate
projections into accessible formats
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This information helps utility owners and operators
better prepare their systems for the impacts of climate change.

EPA Climate Ready Utilities

EPA Climate Ready Utilities

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Extreme weather events, sea level rise,
shifting precipitation patterns and temperature variability,
all intensified by climate change, have significant implications
for the sustainability of the water sector.
By planning for, assessing and adapting to these challenges,
the water sector can fulfill their public health and
environmental missions
and begin the process of becoming climate ready.

VIDEO – “Becoming Climate Ready”
http://youtu.be/hzT6TP1p29g

Water Utility Climate Resilience Support Projects
EPA is supporting more than 20 comprehensive climate-related
risk assessments for drinking water and wastewater utilities
using the Climate Resilience Evaluation and Awareness Tool.
The Agency will provide technical assessment assistance
to the participating utilities, which will help identify
adaptation strategies for implementation to bolster
climate readiness and resilience.

The DEQ and SAW program

Grants via the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ)
from the Stormwater, Asset Management, and Wastewater (SAW) program
will provide assistance for developing, planning and design.

The SAW grants are funded via the Michigan Department of Treasury
as general obligation debt as authorized in the Great Lakes Water Quality Bond.
The SAW program was signed into law on Jan. 2, 2013,
and operates alongside the established State Revolving Fund
and Strategic Water Quality Initiatives Fund loan programs,
as well as the S2 Grant Program,
to support water pollution control efforts in Michigan.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/deq/deq-ess-mfs-SAW-fundinglist_450152_7.pdf

SAW loans in Michigan

SAW loans in Michigan

Macomb County Wastewater Disposal District received $2,000,000
(shown on the very bottom of page 2 in the pdf file)

Conner Creek Bear Creek Warren

Conner Creek Bear Creek Warren

SAW program comparison table

SAW program comparison table

Oakland County is forced to “”drain”” itself into Macomb County
since Macomb County is on Lake St. Clair, at a lower elevation.
Perhaps Oakland County needs to pay a premium, a usage fee, a tax,
to consistently flow stormwater into Macomb County ?

Inter-County Drainage Board

There is an Inter-County Drainage Board that meets
regarding the Red Run StormWater Drain originating
in Oakland County and flowing thru The City of Warren
in Macomb County.

I wonder what they tried to accomplish years ago
by raising the height of manhole access tubes
along the banks of the Red Run .

Does the GLWA now oversee the Inter-County Drainage Board ?
https://redrundrain.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/red-run-30-year-contract-in-2014/

Cobbled Up ManHole Cover

Cobbled Up ManHole Cover

Raised Manhole Access Tube

Raised Manhole Access Tube

Red Run Drain ManHole Access

Red Run Drain ManHole Access

The neighborhood

The neighborhood

InterCounty Drain Board Kuhn Drain Oct 2014

InterCounty Drain Board Kuhn Drain Oct 2014

Red Run Drain Sediment Sampling 2009

Not sure I understand how 8 sediment samples generates
a report of 1,500 pages but it is the USACE at work.

Here is a portion of that report (File is 11 MB large) :

USACE Red Run Drain Sediment Sampling 2009


Somehow much of the testing appeared to be have been Halted around 2009
Perhaps funding dried up, personal changed positions, etc., etc.
https://redrundrain.wordpress.com/2013/11/07/2014-local-waterway-testing-macomb-county/

You would think with all the hard rains, flooding events and such
that Political Officials would be itching to know what got thrown
into Lake St. Clair where everyone recreates in the water.

PCBs seems to persist
https://redrundrain.wordpress.com/2014/04/05/pcb-in-red-run-clinton-river-2014/

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Condition Red Run 2008

Condition Red Run 2008

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Boat Launches

Boat Launches

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Surface currents Lake St. Clair

Surface currents Lake St. Clair

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Belle Isle intake

Belle Isle intake

Why is USACE hiding Lab Results ?

Recently I requested more info about the a sediment sampling
project recently done on the Red Run Drain in Warren, Michigan
FEMA is in town to help flooding victims from the 2014 event as well.

This is a follow-up post referencing :
https://redrundrain.wordpress.com/2014/11/02/mdeq-analysis-on-red-run-drain-2015/

The issue of sediment DID NOT seem to be on the table before
as heavy equipment scooped and dug and dumped
within the waters of the Red Run during the bank reconstruction.

There were NO Silt Curtains installed to impede the sediment
from flowing downstream during the Red Run bank reconstruction.
https://redrundrain.wordpress.com/2013/10/19/silt-curtains-and-contaminated-sediment/

The sediment in the Red Run seems to be a “”concern””
– otherwise all interested parties would openly share info about it.
The sediment must impact the Clinton River environment as well;
since millions of gallons of CSO get violently thrown down
the Red Run channel every time the area gets a hard rainfall.
Flooding happens in Warren, and action is needed to stop it.
Oakland County drains itself via the Red Run Drain,
at the expense and suffering of Warren Michigan residents.
When the Red Run is at 615 to 620 ft in elevation,
so is everything else connected to it, like street drains.
It all leaks underground, surcharging the sanitary drain for households.
Bear Creek by General Motors is connected as well.

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FOIA Red Run Sediment Sampling Report

FOIA Red Run Sediment Sampling Report

The Red Run in Warren as we know it today came about
via the USA Federal Flood Control Act of 1970.
Make no mistake about it.
The USA House of Representatives Document # 91-431
via Chief Engineer of the United States Army Corps of Engineering.

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Red Run as Flood Control Act 1970

Red Run as Flood Control Act 1970

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1970 Flood Control Act

1970 Flood Control Act

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Red Run The last 100 years

Red Run The last 100 years

How high is the Bridge for Ryan Road over the Red Run ?
Apparently not high enough, since the waters went over it in 2014.
It nearly happened in 2011 , just missing by inches.

Federal Official FLOOD Plain at 615 ft elevation — Old FEMA mapping 2006

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Flood Plain Elevation Red Run Bridge

Flood Plain Elevation Red Run Bridge


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Elevation Ryan Road Bridge Red Run Warren

Elevation Ryan Road Bridge Red Run Warren

FEMA determinations use 2006 data

Depending on exactly where you live
FEMA will determine IF a “type” of flood zone applies
– or does not apply – to your exact specific location.

The maps used for FEMA determinations in Warren Michigan
were created from 2006 data, and are clearly marked.

FEMA is in the process of updating the maps for Warren Michigan
and may – or may not – determine which “type” of flood zone applies
to an exact specific location.

People may do well to research insurance for
a Preferred Risk Policy (PRP) for buildings outside
of a SFHA – Special Flood Hazard Area

Water in the Red Run Drain comes primarily from Oakland County.
Oakland County releases StormWater from the Kuhn Retention Basin.

Will Oakland County pay for damages incurred in Macomb County ?
How will the newly formed Regional Water Authority handle this ?
Will Brian Baker fight for us in Warren ?

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Brian Baker

Brian Baker 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
FEMA Letter of Map Amendment 2014

FEMA Letter of Map Amendment 2014 


 
 
FEMA Map Amendment Letter 2014

FEMA Map Amendment Letter 2014


Aug. 11, 2014 RyanRoad RedRun WarrenMI

Aug. 11, 2014 RyanRoad RedRun WarrenMI


Ryan Road underwater Red Run Bridge Warren

Ryan Road underwater Red Run Bridge Warren

People per Sewer Pipe ?

Sometimes people forget how many neighbors they have
– with toilets and bathtubs – all using the same pipes –
merely using strictly gravity, to get feces to the only
Waste Water treatment plant in Northern Warren.
Precinct maps provide the answers, especially when the Red Run
is used as a political boundary, instead of the roads.

Count the houses – guess the number of occupants -
Does the current system really work well when it rains hard,
overloading the system with excess inflow/infiltration ?
Have you mentioned those facts to the politicians representing you ?
Perhaps you have recently spoken to a FEMA representative ?

Warren doesn’t pump sewage, it’s a gravity fed system.
Thousands of neighborhood homes hooked up many, many years ago.
It all needs periodic maintenance, and funding to maintain it.

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2011 Precinct Map Northern Warren

2011 Precinct Map Northern Warren

Warren Michigan Sewer Flow

Warren Michigan Sewer Flow

Warren Michigan Sewer Flow Part 2

Warren Michigan Sewer Flow Part 2

Warren Michigan Sewer Flow Part 3

Warren Michigan Sewer Flow Part 3

Warren Michigan Sewer System

Warren Michigan Sewer System

MDEQ analysis on Red Run Drain 2015 ?

Back on November 1, 2012 (2 years ago) the
Clinton River Public Advisory Council
held a “special meeting”
http://www.crwc.org/wp-content/uploads/PAC-Meeting-Minutes-11-1-12.pdf

MDEQ = ( Michigan Department Environmental Quality )

It is of course, November 1, 2014, now !
Macomb County and Oakland County will have to
cooperate and come to terms with FLOODING issues
concerning StormWater flow into the Clinton River.

Apparently the MDEQ was previously un-able
to properly analyze shoal material dug up by the USACE.
( United States Army Corp of Engineers )

There is no doubt shoals exist in numerous spots
along the Red Run Drain flowing into the Clinton River.
The sediment is very deep and restricts the flow of water,
constricting it, in effect raising the elevation of the channel.

Shoal Removal
http://www.oakgov.com/water/Pages/projects/red_run_shoal_removal.aspx

With the recent flooding events (plural, multiple occasions)
why does the USACE hesitate to dredge the Red Run Drain ?
Landslides and failure of bank stabilization efforts only
increase the amount of sediment in the channel.
All fish in the Clinton River flowing into Lake St. Clair
have their delicate gills damaged by fine sediment.

USACE Red Run Sediment Sampling Analysis from 2010,
Mike Alexander, MDEQ

In May of 2010 the USACE conducted sediment sampling and analysis
from eight locations within the Red Run Drain for estimating
environmental impacts of disposal activities in conjunction
with a concurrent storm water project.
The sample collection method that was expected to be used
was to advance a hand-driven sediment sampler to
collect one sample at the eight different locations.
However, this method was proven ineffective
due to the quantity of rock and debris that
did not allow the sampler to be advanced.
Therefore, the eight samples were collected using a spade
to expose the shoal material where the samples could
then be collected from the exposed walls of the hole.
Due to the high sand and gravel loadings in this
very flashy drain the MDEQ feels that this type of “grab” sampling
is not an adequate method for determining the characterization
of the sediments of the Red Run Drain.
To fully and accurately characterize the sediments
the MDEQ will be requesting approval for a full site characterization
of the Red Run Drain to allow for future decision making

and potential remediation.

Fish Sampling Data and/or Data Gaps in the Red Run Drain,
Kevin Goodwin and Joe Bohr, MDEQ

At this time there is no relatively current fish sampling data
from the Red Run Drain. The MDEQ will pursue future monitoring
efforts to fill this data gap.

Additional Information :

Recovery R Project # 113809
Red Run Drain Oakland County, Michigan
Sediment Sampling Analysis
Solicitation Number: W911XK-09-D-0014-0009

Agency: Department of the Army
Office: U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
Location: USACE District, Detroit
Contract Award Date: March 16, 2010
Contract Award Number: W911XK-09-D-0014-0009
Contract Award Dollar Amount: $11,198
Contract Line Item Number: 0001-0002

Contractor Awardee:
FUTURENET GROUP, INC. (933549230)
12801 AUBURN ST
DETROIT, MI 48223-3413

This Project Plan will describe the collection of sediment samples
for the purpose characterizing the shoaled material
in the Red Run Drain in Oakland County, Michigan.
A total of 8 samples will be collected from 8 stations
within the shoaled areas in the Red Run Drain.

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NTH Study Red Run Shoals

NTH Study Red Run Shoals


red-run-clinton-river-lake-st-clair

red-run-clinton-river-lake-st-clair


GIS Mapping Red Run

GIS Mapping Red Run


Water Bodies in Warren from MDOT

Water Bodies in Warren from MDOT

Warren Michigan history of flooding

It’s no surprise to those that have lived here in Warren
during the 1970’s that flooding occurred already back then.
Flooding is NOT new, and is a frequent occurrence in the City.
FEMA has it on the books from 1974
The FEMA maps could use an overhaul now in 2014.

Somewhere in an archive box my parents have a list from City Hall
documenting each time the City sent out a person to snake
the basement drains in an attempt to “fix” the problem.
I think I remember distributing that list to City Council
at a meeting concerning housing development along the Red Run.
The City no longer provides that service for free and attempts
to distance itself from “responsibility” for sewer backups.

FEMA acronyms :
– Community Identification Number (CID)
– Flood Insurance Rate Map (FIRM),
– Flood Boundary and Floodway Map (FBFM),
– Flood Hazard Boundary Map (FHBM)

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Warren Michigan National Flood Program

Warren Michigan National Flood Program

Municipality liable for discharge

The Michigan Supreme Court has concluded
a municipality can be held liable for,
and is required to prevent,
a discharge that originates within its borders,
even when the discharge is by a private party.

Typical septic system

Typical septic system

Locations with failing septic systems on private properties
create oversaturated drain fields with raw sewage
leaking into ditches and streams.

Part 31 of the Natural Resources
and Environmental Protection Act
(“NREPA”), provides for water resources protection.

Soil Evaluation

Soil Evaluation

On May 17, 2012, the Michigan Supreme Court
released its decision in
Department of Environmental Quality
versus Worth Township.
In Worth, the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality
(“DEQ”) filed suit against Worth Township (the “Township”).

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