It’s fairly obvious few ordinary residents have a clue how much StormWater/Sewage crosses over the DEQUINDRE borderline, between Oakland and Macomb counties. I’ll even go so far as most local City Council members and elected officials are also unaware.
Time for State Oversight – crushing an outdated failed inter-county drain board ?????
The United States Geological Survey – National Map – Viewer – http://bit.ly/2nCYszF
That big open BARE SPOT on the map = the 12Towns Drain area from Oakland
The MDEQ certainly isn’t able to tell anyone the cumulative total of gallons that enters the City of Warren from OaklandCounty – because it simply isn’t measured by equipment. The combined sewage overflow (CSO) entering the Red Run Drain from the South Oakland County Sewage District System (SOCSDS -12Towns) – just doesn’t include all the drains.
When literally MILLIONs and on occasion BILLIONs of gallons of water enter the City of Warren via the Red Run Drain , the street drains become useless, ineffective, blocked !!
Do people generally fill things from the Top or the Bottom ? Sounds like a simple question. Direct, straight forward, to the point, not terribly complicated. When something is filled from the bottom, it is generally PUMPED in, under pressure. It has to – to overcome the atmospheric pressure pushing down on it. Does any city pressurize its street drainage system – of course not, that would be foolish you say ?
It seems fairly obvious that the water inflow, crosses the county borderline, causing residents in Warren grief, pain, frustration, aggravation as the Red Run Drain rises. No wonder The City of Warren has a flooding problem for many, many decades now.
The Michigan Infrastructure Transportation Association’s (MITA) so-called analysis of storm water discharges needs to do a better job ! I doubt it could tell anyone the volume that passes by any house or business in Warren – for any given storm event.
The picture below is during a dry spell – showing the depth and width Red Run
Stormwater + (CSO) has filled the channel, near the top, numerous times.
I started this endeavor quite a while ago and as you know, things change on the internet from time to time. Items get reorganized, various sites get bought and sold, and some things are just plain deleted , never to be seen again. From way back in July 2011, until now, I’ve published over 500 posts on WordPress.
On occasion I came across , sensitive information, that upon exposure to the public via my postings – suddenly disappeared – because “they” didn’t want you to know it.
IF you come across a Broken Link, something that gave you an error, PLEASE type a quick comment alerting me to that fact. Comments can be created at the bottom of each post.
I’ve struggled over the years with various Picture Databases. Years ago I had tons of content on Webshots, then that went away and I went to Picasa and Panaramio. Now it seems Google Photos wants to own everything. If you come across a link, and it gives you an error, please let me know, so I can attempt to fix it. Some items might be tougher to fix than others, but I’ll give it my best shot.
WordPress has this other “feature” that is slightly annoying to me. It allows me to see in the daily statistics, that people attempted to search for something – but it doesn’t tell me exactly what-was-searched-for , grrrrr !!
Please drop a comment at the end of a post you looked at – ASK ME about what you wanted information on. I’ll do my best to answer your questions, point you in the right direction, etc.
Government generally does NOT like people poking around the Water Infrastructure.
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is responsible for water sector information coordination to insure a secure infrastructure. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/RL32189.pdf
This needs to change ! – When your Property Value is now impacted by outdated, archaic, poorly designed solutions, with little foresight to the future, it becomes vital to your family economics. As a resident, a citizen of the USA, you should know how and where your tax dollars are being spent, even if they are buried deep underground .
Your water and sewage rates involve topography, elevation, geography and oh yes politics; complete with idiotic gerrymandering, strong arm tactics, leverage, and mild extortion.
If someone lived on a mountain, they would pay a higher fee for drinking water, since it has to be mechanically pumped/pushed up the elevation. A similar scenario exists for those living a very far distance away from the treatment facility. Do you truly know EXACTLY where your drinking water came from, are you definitively sure about it ? What about about your toilet flush, laundry tub drainage, kitchen disposal grinder , do you know the route it takes to the “treatment plant” and why you are charged accordingly ? Are you charged for Rain, impervious flow, runoff from your roof, driveway, porch ?
When Oakland County made a decision to tie 14 communities together for sewage concerns – it had a choice – to build a full blown complete Waste Water Treatment Plant – or not.
Well that didn’t happen, they just found a loophole, a bypass, a way to dodge the law. The 12TownsDrain as it became known, had a media spin with name change into GWK Basin.
Just recently the Oakland County Water Resource Commissioner’s Office held a technical meeting regarding the proportionate financial obligations for the use of the GWK Retention Treatment Basin (based underground in Madison Heights, Michigan).
At one time, the cost structure was predicted, to have these approximate rates :
$ 50 Million dollars per Year = roughly $25 million STORM + $25 Million SEWAGE
Ask residents who live on the Clinton River in SouthEast Michigan about its’ cleanliness, its’ wonderfulness, – AFTER a major rainfall – when combined sewer overflows occur. Ask those MACOMB County residents at the other end of the river, about their seawalls/docks.
Perhaps their property values matter ! Perhaps their health and recreation matter ! Where is the retribution for these families who deal with flooding and sewage issues ?
Maybe Oakland County, should now take ALL that money they saved the past 50 years, and actually build themselves a true Waste Water Treatment Plant — that only outputs clean water, after every rainfall/snowstorm/thunderstorm.
The GWK Basin is merely a spray and pray , treatment facility. A 2 inch by 2inch WIDE screen “”supposedly”” catch the feces, they spray some bleach, and they pray the rain stops quickly.
The Southeastern Oakland County Sewage Disposal Authority
(also referred to as the Twelve Towns Drain District) was established in 1942
to address flooding problems in this region. The Twelve Towns Drain
District includes the cities of Berkley, Birmingham, Clawson, Ferndale,
, , Madison Heights, Oak Park, Pleasant Ridge,
Royal Oak, Southfield, Troy, and the Village of Beverly Hills.
In 1972, the Twelve Towns Drain District completed construction of a Retention Treatment Facility ( ), a 20 foot high by 65 foot wide structure in the bed of the former Red Run Drain. This RTF runs 2.2 miles from Twelve Mile and Stephenson Highway in a northeastern direction to Dequindre Road south of Whitcomb where it empties into the Red Run Drain.
During rain events, the RTF receives a combination of storm and sanitary flows from the 14 communities that make up the District. The RTF captures this storm water and sanitary sewage and drains gradually into the Dequindre Sewer Interceptor where flows travel south to the Detroit Water and Sewage Board Treatment Plant. In heavy storms the basin overflows into the Red Run Drain, in Warren
I have a bone to pick with the Macomb Public Works office.
Apparently the City of Warren just doesn’t appear on their maps !
How does one miss a 150 foot wide and 30 foot deep OPEN CHANNEL
Is this suddenly invisible to everyone ? Please don’t think we are stupid .
“””shows only open watercourses that were visible from aerial flight in 2000.””
The metropolitan Detroit area has several Retention Treatment Basins (RTBs) around SouthEast Michigan that release “treated” flow into rivers and lakes.
For 2016 alone, the grand total, is 16 Billion gallons – from the RTBs.
As we all know, rainstorms are dynamic, ever changing, un-predictable natural events.
It can rain like hell in one city, a deluge, a torrent, a monstrous amount, while leaving adjacent, nearby cities and communities barely touched, almost dry, just sprinkled.
The operators at the Retention Basin facilities work diligently around the clock, and some rain events last hours; while others stretch into several days of relentless rainfall. The workers are in a repetitive cycle, based primarily on gravity fed drains, of filling the basin, treating the flow, discharging flow, de-watering the basin, and cleaning the basin.
Very hard long thunderstorm events push the basin systems until it becomes almost free flow, minimal screening, minimal “treat/spray” with extreme quick hold/turnaround period – because the VOLUME of stormwater runoff is just too large.
I’ll leave it up to your imagination of what toilet sewage – gets captured – as it flows thru a 2 inch x 2 inch square screen mesh – for the “”treatment”” in a retention basin.
Interested in reading the Official Report – prepared by the GLWA – all nice and polished
I encourage people to read. PLEASE ask questions, educate yourself, protect your homes and family. Personally I found it outrageous that folks have waterfront property, complete with seawalls, docks for the boat; and still build a pool for their kids to splash around in. Paying a mortgage, insurance, and taxes for a piece of property where you CAN NOT jump off the seawall into the water and swim – is a sad situation.
Ask the folks on the other side of Dequindre Road, in OaklandCounty, how they would feel, if MacombCounty just plain SHUT THE DOOR on receiving any stormwater/sewage flow. They have acres upon acres of inter-connected waterways via Cass Lake, Orchard Lake, Sylvan Lake, etc., etc. – with absolutely no Waste Water Treatment plants for their toilets.
GERRYMANDERING exists – which area belongs to which politician ??????
Ask why there are no Waste Water Treatment Plants that release into those lakes ?
Slowly you begin to see the political nonsense that impedes CLEAN WATER in MICHIGAN
Does it really make sense to you – for Oxford, Michigan – to send sewage – via the Interceptor drain system – ALL THE WAY to Detroit Michigan for processing ?
The same goes for West Bloomfield — really — its sewage goes thru Warren to Detroit ?
THIS is the Interceptor Sewage System of metropolitan Detroit – for OaklandCounty
No way to sugarcoat this – We received a massive amount of rain in just a few hours
This gauge from the USGS is located where multiple tributaries merge
Garfield Road between 16 Mile and 17 Mile as it goes into the Clinton River
I came across an interesting quote recently :
“To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often”
History has shown that cities formed to accommodate densely clustered high skilled labor pools that thrive on innovative ideas. Those cities had to invent new ways to house the flood of citizens seeking employment. Proximity plays a crucial role. It has been shown face-to-face communications lead to higher trust between teams. Cities function via people running into each other at events, bars and gatherings.
People expect the taxes they pay, to go towards government for 2 items. Protection from violence and Providing items individuals cannot create for themselves. Infrastructure in the past, was done by private entrepreneurs, who created a railroad, a road, etc. and charged a toll. As projects grew larger, necessary capital so huge, the government took over.
Government is the provider in the eyes of many citizens. Many might say, government is to exist as an INVESTOR in its citizens. It should encourage a more active citizenship, be open and transparent, share data, and believe in its citizens capabilities.
The quandary occurs where – citizens can solve things more efficiently and effectively than government can provide for them. Should government invest in the cultivation of citizens capabilities, while provisioning resources and infrastructure to allow citizens, to succeed at scale ? People generally agree the discovery of new information is the best way to solve societies problems.
Should we transform government’s role – to be about directly investing in citizens, – funding them to become as entrepreneurial, civic, and healthy as possible ?
The Erie Hack is a data and engineering competition that unites coders, developers, engineers, and water experts to generate enduring solutions to Lake Erie’s biggest challenges. http://eriehack.io/detroit-2/
MDEQ is determined to get a handle on E.coli methodology
quantitative polymerase chain reaction QPCR – gives results in 4 hours
One of the catches – THE MONEY – $ dollars – funding – expenditures
Issue of CSO release – combined sewer overflow – needs to be addressed
Neogen is a Michigan company based in Lansing that has a trademarked
NeoSeek™ STEC Confirmation
next day 24 hour DNA specific Ecoli test for seven pathogenic Shiga Toxin-producing
E. coli Strains (STECs) – O26, O45, O103, O111, O121, O145, and O157.
Neogen website at www.neogen.com and phone 517/372-9200 or 800/234-5333.
They develop a genetic profile for bacteria in a FOOD sample, compare it to known reference E.coli strains and then identify strains present.
CAN this method be used for Beach Testing, River Water, Lake Water, etc. – honestly I don’t have those answers, yet. The answers to this question will be pursued. Knowing if the feces is of Human origin or from feral Cats/Dogs, Waterfowl, etc. is crucial to pin pointing the source of contamination. Is it upstream/downstream from point A, B, C ?
How is snow measured by winter meteorologists around the country, including Michigan ? The use of a pre-constructed Snow Board of course ! The only way to get real snow event measurements uses a raised platform, providing a hard surface, to put a ruler upon.
It is usually just a piece of plywood about ( 16 inch X 16 inch ) and painted white. A dark-colored surface like a parking lot or driveway absorbs heat, and melts newly fallen snow. Taking a measurement in your yard will yield bad results, as pockets of air at the bottom blades of grass, give erroneous high snowfall amounts.
Being an official snowfall spotter is serious business, as the results are sent to the news media, and drive tourism for winter sports. The proper measurements are also used for disaster relief funding when it becomes treacherous outside.
Where to put your snowboard is also a critical decision. You want a place that is convenient to get to. Ideally a spot that has an open 45 degree angle to the sky from all directions. An open field is bad, as high winds will scrape fresh snowfall away. An area among houses and trees, providing some buffer is preferable. You may have to shovel a path, so think ahead.
There are rules to be followed, timing of measurements matters a great deal. Official daily snow observations are rounded to the nearest tenth of an inch and are reported at 7 am ; but measuring newly accumulated snow at this time may not necessarily represent an accurate total. For instance, if snow stopped at 3 pm and an observer waits until 7 am the following day to measure, the snow has time to settle, melt and drift.
When multiple snow events occur over a 24 hour period, the observer reports the overall maximum snowfall that accumulated on the snowboard during that time frame and waits until the 7 am observation to clear off the snowboard.
I hope to see a renewed effort along the Red Run, catching those leaking old SEPTIC systems , nonpoint illegal hookups, and more focus on just plain “rain in the drain”.
Ordinary everyday residents need to speak up, call, report anything that looks suspicious leaking, flowing, oozing from any facility, be it a church, a business, a home, someone’s backyard, some drain pipe, – whatever – notify the authorities to make it right.
Hopefully the new tools, media attention, and new Public Works administration in Macomb will crack down on neighbors who continue to have combined sewer overflows fouling the Clinton River and Lake St Clair. It is 2017, a continual evolution for forward progress needs to occur. The 12TownsDrain aka GWK Basin was originally built in 1972.
There are times when government should mandate items for the greater good of general society. The USA officials should force the sale of only higher efficient toilets and take everything else off the market. People will not arbitrarily make the choice on their own.
Johnny Cash – Flushed From The Bathroom Of Your Heart – https://youtu.be/Yl4J1fjuKdg
Government could subsidize the cost, similar to the efficient compact fluorescent light bulbs. In addition, the use of subtle psychological pressure marketing techniques would work nicely. ” The entire neighborhood installed the high-efficiency toilets and they are saving money, why haven’t you switched ? ”
For the record – I am not a country music fan – it just seemed so highly appropriate
January 2017 is just about over and The City of Warren “still” struggles with an ongoing issue dating way back to 2013 – over 4 year ago – concerning stormwater connection to OMID. Anyone who views the INTERCEPTOR system architecture can clearly see it flows through Warren on its way to Detroit’s large Waste Water Treatment Plant.
It is time for serious diplomatic resolution of flooding issues affecting Warren, one of Michigan’s largest cities, and evolve forward for the greater good of SouthEast Michigan. There should be ZERO punitive fees, no massive installation charge, for a simple hookup into an INTERCEPTOR pipeline that has already existed since the 1970’s. Warren residents should NOT be financially punished for what occurred in the past, since there was no flow. A fair, reasonable usage fee, based on Wet Weather stormwater volume now, is justified.
Ordinary homeowners, residents and their families should share the cost of infrastructure, along with the Industrial Giants who use vast amounts resources in SouthEast Michigan. Infrastructure improvement benefits everyone, as industry also suffers losses when workers cannot commute to the work site due to flooding of highways, freeways and streets . Numerous examples like this exist as reminders: https://youtu.be/Bq8jua6ENJQ
I notice many people looking for information on my blog. All sorts of wording, spellings, comingling, etc. occur since most ordinary people don’t know diddly about infrastructure. I didn’t know either, but I took the time to learn a little bit.
The situation in Fraser Michigan involves an INTERCEPTOR sewer drain deep underground, and the diameter is literally large enough to walk through. It was designed to collect sewage from entire neighborhoods/cities and direct the flow into a WWTP. The Waste Water Treatment Plant (WWTP) is in Detroit (far away).
This INTERCEPTOR sewage system (shown above) – is very, very, different from the miles of open to the sky, (i.e. open channel shown below) stormdrains occurring all over in Macomb County. The Red Run is used by Oakland County and the City of Warren when its systems becomes overwhelmed by stormwater .
Of the 20,000 incorporated cities and over 3,000 counties in the USA , only a fraction can share data via open data portals. Sharing data universally among local governments has a long way to go. There are many infrastructure items involving Inter-County connections. Who would look for Macomb geographically based items on an Oakland County website ?
With the Red Run Drain being an Open Channel StormWater entity in Warren, who would think to look into Oakland County computer/internet resources for information ? This exact issue causes confusion when folks seek out true stormwater and sewage info in local government. Residents lives, economic welfare, and health are affected by combined sewer overflows. Michigan needs to push hard now to eliminate CSO and SSO events.
As 2017 starts off , there needs to be a Michigan mandate for the adoption of digital technologies in infrastructure contracts, figuring in the cost of digitization and technology when setting project budgets.
The construction industry has had a poor productivity record due to its reliance on paper. The processes and deliverables such as blueprints, design drawings, supply chain orders, etc. suffered a gap in transparent information sharing.
“The digital-collaboration and mobility-solutions segment has attracted close to 60 percent of all venture funding in the construction-technology sector. One start-up has developed apps for tablets and smartphones that allow changes in construction blueprints and plans to be relayed in real time to on-site crews; site photos can be hyperlinked to construction plans. This solution maintains a master set of documents with automatic version control and cloud-based access.” – http://www.mckinsey.com/industries/capital-projects-and-infrastructure/our-insights/imagining-constructions-digital-future
A new mindset is needed. Everyone from the Project Owner to the Contractor needs to see past the bare minimum required for contractual obligations. There is a need for a Technology Officer whose mandate involves a digital agenda, forcing a digitization evolution forward in Michigan counties.
The Red Run Drain in Warren flows into the Clinton River and on out to Lake St Clair. An easement for vehicles exists, enabling access for Fire Trucks to put out brush fires along with various forms of heavy earth moving equipment from time to time.
Since much of Warren , Sterling Heights and other cities nearby is heavily populated, having different types of farm animals near people is a contentious issue.
I have to wonder how much ENFORCEMENT actually occurs from inspectors opening gates, peering over fences, and investigating reports of citizens actually raising animals. Perhaps a video drone could fly over property without the need to ring doorbells, open gates , to enhance enforcement of local ordinances ?
Many local ordinances basically say the exact same thing – raising and keeping animals for consumption of some kind, is restricted near public places , like stores & dwellings.
It is literally a slippery slope from eggs, to milk, to slaughter for meat, and giving, bartering, selling items for profit, without inspection, regulation, taxation. A skinned rabbit carcass without furry paws intact, “can” easily look like “other” animals. There is a term easily researched via Google known as “”roof rabbit””.
It gets interesting with the Michigan Agriculture Commission involvement.
The State Department of Agriculture and Rural Development has people sitting on the inter-county DRAIN boards like Michael R. Gregg and Jamie Clover Adams.
Many people have property which is along the stormwater drain and some feel their backyard is beyond reproach from anyone walking along the public easement. The easement is on the Macomb County Master Plan for recreational use. It would be a welcome addition to enhance non-motorized transportation in Macomb County.
I came across a surprising blog post from the EPA over the holidays.
The Environmental Protection Agency of the United States of America
Apparently it is time for Citizen Science to bootstrap itself into relevancy.
The report is available here: https://www.epa.gov/faca/nacept-2016-report-environmental-protection-belongs-public-vision-citizen-science-epa
Sincere heartfelt THANKS to all those that read the posts, clicked on the links, shared info with family, neighbors and friends. Please push for more transparency in government, especially when it involves tax dollars. There is no free money , from anywhere, not the feds, the state or the county or your local city !
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A major catastrophe for many folks in Fraser Michigan as a sinkhole swallows people’s homes, utilities shut off electrical power, drinking water, and natural gas.
This was caused by the Oakland Macomb Interceptor Drain, recently overhauled and renovated at a tremendous cost to taxpayers of the area.
I’ve heard a number of stories from folks that are NOT happy with the current state of affairs regarding flooding events by the Oakland / Macomb border. They feel the system has given them a raw deal and little has been done to fix anything, etc.
TELL the Macomb County officials about the flooding concerns you have. A huge amount of stormwater crosses over (and under) Dequindre Road from Oakland County – into the Macomb County drains, adding to the problem.
As we quickly approach the new year 2017 – does anyone expect change, improvement, progress , a forward evolution concerning the sad state of affairs regarding flooding ?
Did you hear, get contacted, read press articles about “new plans” from officials ?
Was there money set aside to fix the problems in your neighborhood, protect your streets and property from another major rain event occurring in the near future ?
The Macomb County representative on the GLWA aka Brian Baker has been quiet. Published on Aug 20, 2015 – Program about the Great Lakes Water Authority featuring Macomb County Representative Brian Baker.
Do you feel County Officials have enacted, planned, strategized, analyzed, the 2014 storm event thoroughly and have actually done anything to aid, prevent, help neighborhoods ? Have you seen an initiative , spread to the masses, via social media, television, etc. that lays out the REGIONAL aka (tri-county) Oakland/Macomb/Wayne solution concerning stormwater flooding ?
Looking forward to watching elected officials, taxpayer expenditures, and the “plan”
Macomb County has had a LOT of flooding over the years and you would think that officials like Mark Hackel in an executive position would be “on-top-of-it” . I fear he is not . I think there is a real lack of PROactive, get it done yesterday urgency, by many officials. Far too much of the ol’ kick the can down the road till someone else deals with it.
An Example taken directly from the County’s Flood Planning document
When I see OLD maps showing Drive In Movie Theatres, I become angry. Is that where our tax dollars go – to lazy slackers who can’t find a detailed MODERN map of our cities ? I’ve posted newer maps in my blogs from current county databases https://redrundrain.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/warren-north.jpg
Does this inspire confidence in residents …….the plan for 2020 ?
Maybe they thought no one would actually READ the document ? Just an exercise to say they did something, pulled together something, made a document to appease others ?
Does a population at a Higher Elevation automatically have the “right” to flood those of a lower elevation ? Is it just a matter of owning geographical territory that is higher than someone else, that automatically entitles them to throw stormwater down upon those below ?
It would appear to be that simple according to the history of Oakland County and the Red Run Drain – which flows into Warren within Macomb County. Over the years, the area near 14 Mile and John R became more commercialized, more industrialized, with much more asphalt, parking lots, and buildings. The catch – the drainage system remained the same. As I-75 became more congested, and the Oakland Mall shopping vicinity expanded, more and more stormwater gets FUNNELED directly into the Red Run Drain.
Notice the large + crosshairs of 14 Mile and Dequindre Road on the map above. They serve a great reference point to focus upon as your eyes follow the I-75 Highway from the Oakland Mall area down towards the 12 Mile area. You’ll see the water drainage in BLUE.
What exactly is the upper LIMIT of volume in the Red Run Drain before Macomb County says no more, stop, cease and desist, halt, block and permanently terminate the flow ?
It is afterall affecting the infrastructure of Warren owned bridges , like the one on Ryan Road, between Chicago and 14 Mile. The water has risen so high it has overflowed the bridge deck and kissed its bottom a number of times. It is most certainly going to continue to happen in the future, until the bridge fails.
How can the streets drain properly , when the water level is almost at Bridge Height ? They simply can not , and the water gets backed up – forcing itself into people’s basements. A documented, proven fact, repeated numerous times . Ask my neighbors, we’ve all been hit on numerous occasions, loosing possessions, time, financial resources.
People can clearly see the piping leading into the Red Run Drain via public documents. They have specific names like Henry Graham, Wilson, Walker Relief, North Drain, South Drain, etc.
It is no secret that Centerline forces its over flow UP towards the Red Run Drain as well, further contributing volume into the tributaries of the Clinton River.
We here in Macomb County get plenty of of our own rain thank you very much. It has only one place to go, into the Clinton River tributaries. The Tank/Missile/Arsenal area must also drain itself to prevent from being a massive continuous swamp . General Motors built in Warren specifically because it had a LOT of water – https://redrundrain.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/gm-and-red-run-clinton-river/
When will Oakland County grab the bull by its horns and say Oh Wow – we built a huge mall and massive commercial/industrial corridor without installing, building, or creating a Waste Water Treatment Plant for all that sewage ? LBrooksP skirted the issue with the 12 TownsDrain snafu that has had continual problems over the years, barely, marginally, threading the loophole of SSO and CSO events. Places as far away as Oak Park, pay to have their stormwater routed into the Red Run Drain. Does that still make sense today ?
If DETROIT is sooooo vacant and has OVER capacity – why doesn’t more of Oakland County’s stormwater sewer flow into Detroit infrastructure lines – instead of flooding those at lower elevation along the Clinton River ?
If Oakland County wants true transparency, openness, – SHARE the actual stormwater volumes of the drains into Red Run Drain and come clean about who gets charged what !
We used to be able to see differences
Then it changed
What will it take to make the records PUBLIC for the Henry Graham, Wilson, Walker Relief, North Drain, South Drain, etc. ? Obviously people are being charged MONEY $$$$$ based upon some kind of measurements ?
With new construction along I-75, even more water volume will enter the Red Run Drain . How exactly were those calculation made, by whom, and approved how – concerning residents in a County the other side of Dequindre Road – at a lower elevation ?
Will Warren residents have to live in fear every hard rain to see their backyards full of water, their basements flooded, suffer financial loss – because Oakland County forces its will over the entire region ? I say no ! Enough is enough. There are are limits. Perhaps they need to be imposed by Court Orders from the Feds and State.
At the moment it appears Trump favors the idea of Private Investment towards fixing the crumbling infrastructure of the USA. His advisors want to launch $1 trillion in private sector infrastructure spending via $140 billion in tax credits for the companies willing to do the work.
The concept of P3’s (Public Private Partnerships) is not a new strategy https://redrundrain.wordpress.com/2014/02/01/infrastructure-costs/
There is a catch – the Private Sector is just not interested due to the low return on investment. Trump’s team acknowledges that fact : “For infrastructure construction to be financeable privately, it needs a revenue stream from which to pay operating costs, the interest and principal on the debt, and the dividends on the equity.”
There is extreme difficulty forecasting a revenue stream from a P3 endeavor. It comes from attempting to determine the pricing, utilization rates, and operating costs over time. With the high risk of lending comes the necessity for large equity expectations. Trumps advisors claim the leverage will be about five times equity. In order to finance a trillion dollars of infrastructure – it is necessary to ask for an equity investment of $167 billion.
You can read all about Trumps advisors analysis here
The Red Run Drain is used as a boundary, a dividing line, in elections.
The 3rd largest city in the state, uses an old drainage ditch, as the “line”
Plan on more noise, diesel fumes and construction equipment along the banks of the Red Run Drain come 2017, as a new project has just been awarded. I bet few in MACOMB knew this was in the works, as it originates from the other side of Dequindre Road.
The stormwater flow from Oakland County into Macomb County is based on an old plan conceived way back in the 1960’s and 1970’s. Therein lies the heart of the problem. NO ONE has really ever thought differently since then. Everyone has just “dealt with it” because it was a pre-existing notion set in motion. Time for Oakland County to deal with its sewer issue, by itself, independent of Macomb County. Accountability must occur at some point, instead of constantly kicking the can down the road, over and over again.
Notice that ELEVATION restriction , when the Red Run drain hits 613 ft ?
The Red Run Drain routinely hits 620 ft above sea level the past few years.
Any drain connected to it, suffers the consequences of water elevation at 620ft
The Beaumont Troy hospital as well as Oakland Mall, drain into the Clinton River, with the Dequindre Road borderline clearly displayed by the Twelve Towns District Boundary.
I wonder how much TOTAL VOLUME actually comes out of the concrete structure below Dequindre Road in a major rain storm of 3 to 4 inches over Oakland County — AND why can’t more of it be diverted to Detroit , via the Dequindre Interceptor ?
Let me awaken your inner fears with horror from 10 years ago
The Macomb Daily ran a story in 2006 — “Sewage discharges up in 2006
The article starts off — “More than 1.6 billion gallons of sewage was dumped into Lake St. Clair in 2006, by government facilities that have made hundreds of millions of dollars in improvements designed to prevent sewage overflows.”
“Officials blame the huge volume of discharges, a one-third increase over 2005 amounts, on an unusually rainy year that often pushed the sewer systems beyond their capacity.”
Did ANYBODY catch that – read it again – That was 10 damn years ago folks.
Local governments spent $ 500 MILLION dollars , Federal Money, on upgrades and they still missed the mark by a massive, astronomical mark – Back in 2006
If a politicians house does get damaged – well you brought it on yourselves, right ? We are waayy past the point of being comical and satirical. The elections are coming and you deserve to be scared of what might happen.