By using a quantitative polymerase chain reaction test (qPCR), lab workers can look for a specific DNA, and get Ecoli results in four hours.
Because the test focuses on DNA,the lab can differentiate the waterfowl poop,from the dog poop, and the human poop.
A big part of Ecoli testing involves where the sample originates. Ecoli clings to wet beach sand. Each sand particle has many cracks and crevices, ideal for bacteria to attach. Taking a sample of water, with hip waders, 20 ft from the shoreline – will show a completely different set of Ecoli results.
Early in the morning, with NO ONE at the beach,the sand lays flat, undisturbed, and peaceful. Add 1,000’s of people and kids,the sand is whipped-up,mixing with the water.
Which sampling method do you trust yields the best results for your family ? Educate yourself so no one can fool you with the test results. It is your tax dollar at work afterall.
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Our stormwater and sewer pipes function primarily on gravity flow. No energy expenditure, no moving parts, basically set and forget. The guts of the system is low tech.
A simple “blockage” strategically placed in a large pipe can divert flow. This dam is called a weir.
A weir dam functions everyday, all times of day, never needing to be turned on or off – it just exists in the pipe.
The 14 Oakland County cities that take part in the GWK Retention Basin – all flow into one spot. The WEIR dam determines what gets diverted, and what flows over it. It is all dependant on the rainfall.
It is a fact, we are getting more rain than we did in the past. Engineering based on outdated historical logs, now miss the mark, fail, can’t accomodate the storms.
“Climate Central’s analysis of more than 3,000 rain gauges nationwide shows that heavy downpours are happening more frequently than they did in the 1950s. We found that all but two of the Lower 48 states have seen an increase in the number of heavy downpours happening each year, on average,compared to the 1950s, and 28 states have seen at least a 25 percent increase in these heaviest events.
– With downpours projected to be even more frequent and intense as the world continues to warm, we can expect more of these costly and dangerous overflows for many years to come.”
Where will all that stormwater from a new lane on I-75 go ?
Well into the Red Run of course !
I’m a firm believer that an area that looks like a garbage dump, acts as a garbage dump. By that I mean people are more apt to dump a candy wrapper, a bag from chips, etc. in an area that looks nasty – versus a pristine, manicured, well kept up spot.
We live in a society where plastic is all around us in everyday life. It’s no coincidence it gets into our open channel stormwater drains. The Red Run has 54 MILES of open drainage.
Now add in the Clinton River tributaries, as it all flows into Lake St.Clair. Washing Machine discharge contains synthetic fiber fragments from our clothing. A combined sewer overflow event dumps them into the waterways.
EXCERPTS from study
The physical properties of different plastics and the hydraulics of the different water bodies played a role in the study.
Micro-plastic particles are eaten by fish, birds, and other wildlife. It is often mistaken for real food.
Negatively buoyant fibers made of polymers such as polyester, rayon, nylon, and cellulose acetate may remain in suspension in the turbulent flow of a stormwater drain.
In contrast, many foams, films, and pellets/beads are made of positively buoyant polymers such as polystyrene, polyethylene,and polypropylene, which likely remain afloat in the lakes for some time, until biofouling or adsorption of minerals increases their density and causes them to sink.
The fibers enter the lakes but likely settle and accumulate in the lakebed sediments rather than at the surface.
This accumulation of microplastics in lakebed sediments may have important effects on benthic organisms as well as organisms at higher trophic levels that are reliant on benthic organisms.
This study characterized the quantity and morphology of floating micro- and macroplastics in 29 Great Lakes tributaries in six states under different land covers, wastewater effluent contributions, population densities, and hydrologic conditions. Tributaries were sampled three or four times each using a 333 μm mesh neuston net. Plastic particles were sorted by size, counted, and categorized fibers/lines, pellets/beads, foams, films, and fragments.
Plastics were found in all 107 samples, with a maximum concentration of 32 particles/m3 and a median of 1.9 particles/m3
Ninety-eight percent of sampled plastic particles were less than 4.75 mm in diameter and therefore considered microplastics.
Do people generally fill things from the Top or the Bottom ? Sounds like a simple question. Direct, straight forward, to the point, not terribly complicated.
When something is filled from the bottom, it is generally PUMPED in, under pressure. It has to – to overcome the atmospheric pressure pushing down on it.
Does any city pressurize its street drainage system – of course not, that would be foolish you say ?
So when a simple gravity pipe attempts to connect to “a system” operating at 2 atmospheres or 20 psi – it can’t. The water cannot enter.
When the Red Run is full, at 20 to 30 ft deep, those little street drains are not effective, they are rendered useless. In fact they begin to BACKFILL, to the manholes at street level, leak, spill water into the dirt, saturating it.
The water from the Red Run starts entering your neighborhood, saturating the ground very quickly, around leaky crumbling manhole connectors.
The Red Run is connected to the Storm sewers – when they leak, it infiltrates your Floor Drain. No matter how much you pump, the Red Run just overwhelms it. As long as the Red Run is HIGH, your basement is at risk.
Poor Engineering – A Blunder – A colossus ScrewUp, yep, yes, correct. I’ll give it to you straight. Without continual screaming for blood, several pounds of flesh out of someone’s ass, some firings, and basically a Revolution – it won’t change. Pain needs to occur, at a County and State level. When they feel pain, their personal paycheck on a chopping block , ousted to an unemployment line – then it gets fixed.
Why should any Macomb resident suffer so that Oakland County can EVADE its own sewage problem ? Hold LBrooksP accountable for his actions. Make him tear up the streets, seperate the sewers, and build a true WWTP, within Oakland County borders.
The reality is that the EPA does little to enforce CSO/SSO laws, does not collect fines, and basically looks the other way.
The track record was clearly established in this 2005 independent report – and nothing has truly changed since !
A review of EPA and state data suggests that many permittees have fallen far short of complying.
With no precedent of harsh, strict, fine enforcement from the EPA, permitees did whatever they wanted the past 10 years.
Those numbers tell a clear story of the EPA having no real teeth. No state is afraid of a fine. Oakland and Macomb Counties have done little to stop CSO/SSO overflows. They expect residents to “”live-with-it” ”
Michigan claims real time reporting of CSO/SSO events – but it’s a joke. Data doesn’t appear online for several days. Throw in a major Holiday, it could be almost a week, before the manual, paper driven, data shows up. Add in the InterCounty mis-communication of one hand not knowing what the other is doing.
Lack of notice about specific CSO occurrences and impacts, leaves the public exposed to unnecessary risk; neighborhoods may not be aware that the nearby river or lakefront is overloaded with bacteria and unsafe to enter.
Macomb residents have to look to Oakland County – to see if the GWK Retention Basin had a CSO release.
Nothing will change without intense public outcry to get COURT ORDERS to seperate the sewers. Local Officials simply are not pro-active, they are reactive, after the sharks take a bite out of their ass. No pain, no action.
Property value and quality of life are HUGE motivating factors for families. When beaches are repeatedly closed, basements get wet, and streets are impassable – people get angry.
Oakland County is one of the richest in the entire nation. How long will the rest of the state put up with their sloth, noncaring, selfish attitude toward their neighbors along Dequindre and 8 Mile ?
IF you have factual info of Oakland County paying an EPA fine for CSO/SSO release, I would love to see it. Please leave a comment regarding the fine amount, date of occurance, and which facility was involved.
It seems one guy has influenced the funding of major water projects; more than others the past 25 years. He has been at the forefront of financing water and energy. Energy, what, yeah, it gets mixed in, believe it or not. Michael Curley has had the ear of the EPA and several presidents (plural).
I love his choices for the book cover. Coinage stacked on top of dirt, sprouting plants in forefront; solar panels and nuclear plant cooling towers in background.
A tremendous amount of rain is forced into underground pipes by many dozens of communities – and it ends up in the Clinton River.
Think about 16+ feet of water, over open channel spans of 50, 75, 100 feet across; from Warren to Mt. Clemens. That’s a LOT of stormwater moving a lot of sediment into Lake StClair.
Think about how many Bridges exist from Dequindre all the out to Moravian and towards Harley Ensign Marina.
ALL built to accomodate stormwater, combined sewer overflow, coming from places like Oak Park. – That’s 8 Mile and Greenfield rainwater, diverted to LakeStClair via the Clinton River. Does that make logical sense to you, a taxpayer, a voter, a homeowner ?
OVER 1/2 a Million Dollars, every year, since 12TownsDrain, in OAKLAND COUNTY was built, draining into Red Run, in Warren.
Time to seperate the sewers LBrookP. Your county is NOT poor.
Time for Oakland County residents to pay their-fair-share, ante up the tax revenue, and actually fix their infrastructure inadequacies contaminating (via SSO/CSO) the Clinton River and Lake St. Clair.
I put the blame squarely and firmly on Lewis Brooks Patterson, who skirted around the environmental issue of SEWAGE disposal.
He bragged about it in his speech.
Macomb County needs to stop pussyfooting around, engage the FEDERAL EPA, The Supreme Court, and force OaklandCounty to reduce SSO/CSO events.
“”Spray and Pray” ” does not cut it anymore for GWK Retention Basin. Find a way to reduce the volume of water. Stop throwing the problem onto MacombCounty HomeOwners. Our houses, basements, and families mean something greater than your sewage overflow.
Scientists have used an age old risk assesment concept called Stationarity. This strategy involves a theory that certain things that contribute to floods, do not, change over time.
This has been the approach many city/suburban planners used, based on historical data. The climate is about the same, land use is similiar, etc. , etc., etc.
Flood risk was often based on a belief in magnitude and frequency of an event, would repeat, just as it always had in the history logs.
Michael Mann, a climate scientist who directs the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University. “We know that heavy rainfall has increased dramatically in recent decades, as we expect it to based on fundamental atmospheric physics, combined with human-caused warming of the ocean and atmosphere.”
Warmer air holds more moisture. This increases at a rate of 4% per degree Fahrenheit of warming. The result are more frequent, more intense, rainfall events.
Add in to the equation – land useage. Local cities want revenue through property taxes. Every open lot, field, meadow, is expected to be developed. Old zoning laws are dismissed, in favor of “variances”. It makes somebody wonder why are zoning laws existing, just to have them tossed, and reconfigured, in search of revenue dollars.
Once the asphalt and concrete are put on top of the grass/dirt, the rain gets forced into the stormdrain system. This development scenario happened at an alarming rate – while the archaic stormwater system underground stayed the same for 1/2 a century.
The stop gap, band aid fix, of building retention basins for sewage disposal, was outgrown almost before it was completed. Once built, it became an albatross around the neck of those stuck with Bond Payments for several decades.
The phrase alludes to Samuel Taylor Coleridge ‘s poem “ The Rime of the Ancient Mariner,” in which a sailor who shoots a friendly albatross is forced to wear its carcass around his neck as punishment.
Years ago when my parents first purchased their house on Dawson, in Warren, they thoroughly and completely TRUSTED all inspections, certifications, etc. were in order. They believed there was OVERSIGHT and supervision by City Building Engineers for the houses in the subdivision.
A view from 1961
The piping has been in the ground a long long time. The City of Warren came DIRECT with personnel, to the house for “”Water Issues””.
In fact, I have direct proof, of every single visit The Water Department of Warren Michigan made to our exact address
It shows the names of the City Workers and dates of service.
The City, the County, and The USA Army Corps of Engineers, know exactly – the elevation of every pipe for tap water, toilet discharge, and street drainage. They also know the water elevation level in the Red Run as a direct result of the GWK Retention Basin CSO events.
They know the real deal, but do not make it easy for ordinary citizens to put the puzzle pieces together.
Local government recently received a harsh “awakening” to Flooding, FEMA, Water management. They were forced to “”deal-with-it””.
MiFloods.Org has been around for a long, long, time. The City of Warren is part of the Organization.
The QUICK guide
Warren has been wet for decades. People have called City Operations, attended City Council meetings, etc., etc. The “Catch-to-it-All” – the COUNTIES are inter-linked, inter-connected, co-mingled for stormwater. It makes it tougher to point a finger at anyone in particular.
WHY would Warren, an inland, landlocked, NO BEACHES, No Lakes, community, be on a FEMA National flood Program since early 1970’s ???? I’ll let that sink in a second or two or three.
WHERE is all the water coming from ? Repeatedly, year after year, Warren floods, yet the ClintonRiver is a good distance away. Did another county FORCE its stormwater into Warren ?? Why yes it did. There I said it, in print, on the internet.
It was a FEDERAL PROJECT to bring stormwater into Warren. Ramrodded, forced down our throats, without much of a fight.
Soooo when a smart ass engineer says they know nothing about flooding in various neighborhoods :
A.) They are lying to your face
B.) They are Ignorant
C.) They should have others check their homework, calculations, and reading comprehension skills for a few more years before signing off on anything near your home.
Oh, and by the way, it doesn’t take an engineer to know water from high elevations – flows to lower elevations, continually, relentless, mercilessly, until the HIGH elevation source is shut off. Otherwise, it just happens all over again.
Find me a resident how likes being financially tortured by repeated flooding only to be told its their own damn fault by city officials.
Lets turn the torture game on its head by thoroughly infoming ALL real estate agents to avoid Warren. Educate them on FEMA failings, Engineering failures, and Real World wet basements. Put it on the internet, social media, for all to see. Drop those property assessments to scrap value, ZERO tax income, zero business startup, and affect government pocketbooks, elections, and politicians careers.
Fix the flooding in people’s houses, step up, take responsibility, be ethical. The flipside of the coin is a nasty ugly path.
I grew up in Warren, attended Beer Jr.High and C.S.Mott Highschool. No teacher ever hinted at the local geography, and few mentioned the history of Warren, Michigan.
It used to have quite a bit of water.
Water flowed across farmland and was a key part of General Motors coming to Warren. https://redrundrain.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/gm-and-red-run-clinton-river/
Water flowed where Halmich Park now exists in The City of Warren. It is easy to see connection to Red Run.
Bear Creek is connected to the Red Run and may have had a connection to Conner Creek in Detroit via a field or marsh.
One picture shows Bear Creek along Mound Road by the USA Military property.
At some point in the 1960’s Bear Creek was enclosed, went underground.
Now much of Bear Creek is enclosed, lost to old maps and history.
History is important to modern day infrastructure, as mother nature plays by her own set of rules regarding Thunderstorms.
Water will always attempt to find its own level, often across large distances and uneven terrain.
Urban expansion “forced” change to natural water flow, sometimes with unforeseen consequences to downstream communities.
Now in 2016, I urge various City Councils, SEMCOG leaders, County officials to RE-examine the past choices regarding Clean Drinkable Water via the ClintonRiver and Lake St Clair.
We are all connected, so lets keep just Rain-in-the-Drain. The toilet sewers need true, complete, Waste Water Treatment Plants.
The old CSO strategy has to come to an end. Combined Sewer Overflows are ruining the Water Wonderland.
The Dawson Drive neighborhood in Warren by 14 Mile and Ryan, north of Red Run drain, is having an extensive heavy construction project.
The sewer lines for toilet, laundry tub, bath water, look like this.
Notice how Dawson has 15 inch diameter pipe, other areas have 8 inch.
The toilet sewer flow goes East, behind the Warren Community center, and on to the Warren’s Waste Water Treatment Plant.
You can watch the entire system flow, from Dawson to the WWTP, via a YouTube video.
Toilet sewer flow from Dawson
The stormwater flow, for rain water, connects into Ryan Road.
Elevation of the neighborhood, topography, is around 620 ft above sea level.
The Ryan Road Red Run Bridge is only 620ft above sea level. When the Red Run fills up, so does everything else, aka the street catch basins. Water finds its own level, always.
Notice the pipe, at the bottom, down by the waterline – it is for rainwater off the streets of the Dawson Neighborhood. When the Red Run is full, so is this pipe.
I’m pretty confused here in Warren by 14 Mile and Ryan, near the Red Run. A few years ago, I could swear the City of Warren PLANTED trees in my neighborhood.
Today, ALL the 50 year old trees from when I was a kid are being taken down.
Macomb County urban planners PUSHED the planting of trees for a wide variety of reasons.
Now that Warren wants to do some renovation of the street and water main in neighborhood , the residents/taxpayers of 50 years ~~ ~ loose ~~~ the old growth trees, leaving ugly stumps ?
It “was” really nice and quiet here
Now it’s all chainsaws, wood chipper roar and heavy equipment boom, crash, scrape.
I don’t get it. Plant trees for nice neighborhoods, wait 20, 30, 40 years for that overhanging “”green-canopy”” look, feel, ambiance. Then complain about getting sued for trees.
Pick one Macomb – concrete jungles of lifeless gloom or Glorious Trees that buffer winds, provide shade and create nice liveable neighborhoods.
I’m truly saddened by the fact all the trees are now gone July 11, 2016. The concrete work in front of my house won’t start until Sept. or Oct. according to Engineering Staff.
Oh yeah – my basement will probably still get wet, along with my neighbors, because that was NOT the focus of the reconstruction work. I do not live in a floodzone according to FEMA.
FLOODING, multiple, repeated, numerous occassions, over decades, is not on Warren’s agenda, or Macomb County Drain Commissioners mind – BUT planting trees sure seems to be a taxpayer debacle as well.
Maybe the USACE with their 800+ page reports and double rework of the bank stabilization can solve the backflow, surcharge, inflow, infiltration, hydrostatic pressurization of our basement drains due to a rising water table ?
The real Warren Michigan, with its interconnections via creeks, streams, rivers as it existed 100 years ago.
The link is a bit odd via Imgur
USGS Topographical Map
This explains a tremendous amount about the Inter-Connectivity of the water tables among Macomb, Oakland, and Wayne Counties.
Original Warren neighborhood built in early 1960’s by 14 Mile & Ryan Road in Macomb County will receive a Water Main Replacement with New Concrete.
This neighborhood has seen flooded basements in the past, on multiple occassions, over many years.
Elevation of drains by Dawson and Ryan Road, just north of Chicago Road, in Warren, Michigan.
When the Red Run is FULL, around 620ft above sea level, it puts PRESSURE on the drains that feed it.
We live in a rapidly evolving world of technology and communications.
You might have seen, read, or heard about IoT – Internet of Things. This is where sensors in a neighborhood detect occurances in real time, communicate with computer systems, and provide information used to strategically explore solutions.
Now will your local goverment actually be OPEN about all the information collected ? Maybe.
I have written about some of this before, occuring in Macomb and Oakland counties.
If someone is buying or selling a house, the issue of flooding, is a big concern. People should know where problems have occurred, and are recurring.
– Continual Sewer Overflow data should be open to public scrutiny. The public should know about Industrial/Commercial useage and contribution to neighborhood stormdrains. The GIS layers for stormdrains should be accessible on a public viewer, just like other properties area.
Everyone that lived through the Flood of Aug 2014 realized drainage is a KEY issue.
Your house may NOW be jeopardized based on Marrocco’s actions in court.
The City of Warren physically must be connected to the MacombOakland Interceptor pipeline to avoid future catastrophes of flooded basements.
You want a better environment with crystal clear streams, creeks, rivers, lakes all around you ?
You WILL pay more taxes, period.
Local, state, federal – all three.
There will be financial pain.
Numerous politicians must sacrifice themselves to vote for the greater good of everyone. In effect, they’ll decide to commit political suicide with zero chance of re-election. Raise taxes all around for infrastructure, everyone takes the hit, all feel the pain.
There is no middle ground anymore, no more little quick fixes. SouthEast Michigan has a StormWater problem of monumental proportions that can’t be kicked down the road any longer.
This looking back of “”oh we done good, it’s better than ever before””” is bullshit. Instead of spending the BILLIONs of dollars, a few hundred million dollars $ were spent with a “”fix””, a work around, an appeasement.
When will residents get serious – after their property values drop ?
Who wants a house that flooded a few times, the house on a pea soup green canal, or the house on a seawall too gunky to go for a swim ?
What will it take…. seriously now !
Pitchforks and blazing torches to force out useless politicians who did nothing to protect your families ? Old fashioned Tar & Feathers with a stern “” Leave the town”” never to return ? Who looks at voting records and holds anyone accountable anymore………….
Bad engineering, bad city planning, bad foresight, laziness, etc. can’t just be swept under the rug, with a meek “Uh Sorry”. It is OUR tax money, there is no Free Federal Money. It comes from somewhere, there are consequences and repercussions for squandering it.
Selfishness, self-preservation, for a wanna-be, life long career politician isn’t exactly in synchronization with Raising Taxes, Tearing up roads, the accompanying sewers, and having crystal clear stormwater discharge everywhere – is it ??
It’s all about pain tolerance.
Who or what cracks, bursts, first ?
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Macomb and Oakland have been joined via sewers for 50 years already. Oakland County needs the ClintonRiver for sewage overflow. Of course, The Clinton flows through Macomb to Lake St Clair.
Many houses and subdivisions around Warren Michigan are about 50 years old. The earth has settled, shifted slightly, and the underground rain water connections are no longer watertight. They leak into the surrounding dirt. Ordinarily, it is no big deal.
A crisis can occur when the dirt is already quite saturated with rain water AND it continues to rain. The ground water table begins to rise, and it seeps into “other” pipes, like the Sewer Connections.
The storm water in NorthWest Warren neighborhoods flows into the Red Run Drain (via drains at the BOTTOM of the open stormwater channel)
The Red Run Drain fills quickly, rapidly, as Oakland County also contributes stormwater flow. The water level may be 20 to 30ft deep in spots.
Water pressure at the bottom of a reservoir, is equal at all points.
The pressure at inlet A = B = C = D regardless of the piping path.
The Red Run Drain has often filled to the top the last few years. This PRESSURIZES the system of inlets from the Street drains.
Soooo, lets say that street drain is about 30ft deep, and full of water – as it enters Red Run.
It exerts a force of several POUNDS per SQUARE INCH, and easily leaks thru any crack, loose fitting, coupling, etc.
The sump pumps cannot keep up and in fact add more water to the system, in a vicious cycle, – from the Storm Drains – to the sanitary(Sewer) drains, pushing toilet stuff into a basement.
Instead of being at the BOTTOM of the channel, these street drains would be better suited to the TOP, under the access easement.
** You can see where someone tried to be “slick”, cobbling up the manhole, a foot or two, with bricks, to no effect.
Do you fill your bathtub from the TOP, or from the bottom ? A pool uses the pressure from the bottom, to circulate the water up to the top.
There is a great reason most systems DO NOT add water to the bottom of a reservoir. The bottom has pressure !
City of Warren engineering staff has mentioned the crumbling streets of the NorthWest neighborhoods would get new concrete. The newer “edge drainage” channel may keep the road bed drier than before – but it won’t solve any flooding issue for residents near the Ryan Road at Red Run Bridge vicinity.
Notice the large stormwater pipe at the bottom of the bridge, gets COMPLETLY submerged every time the Red Run Drain fills near its banks.
There is a design fault causing grief for residents, that cannot be explained away by – “Act of God”. Humans built it, and they are responsible, for oversights, miscalculations, omissions, and errors.
Most of the stormwater comes directly from OaklandCounty via the 12TownsDrain aka GWK Retention Basin – into Warren – via the Red Run Drain.
This bill basically gives cities IMMUNITY from flooding lawsuits. Politicians and Engineers must be held accountable for their actions. They cannot be given a legal pass.
Your home values and property is impaired by repeated flooding events in Michigan.
Call, write, harass those that want to skate by with a slap on the fingers. It is no longer acceptable to incur personal loss. Infrastructure Improvements are their responsibility. Thats why they get a paycheck. Force them to EARN it.
Contact your local rep to STOP 5282
You might want to avoid Water Recreation directly after a large rainstorm.
“A number of studies, including this one from 2010, have found that emergency room visits for gastrointestinal distress increase after a heavy rain. These illnesses are believed to spike after a storm because rainwater washes pathogens into lakes and rivers used for recreation and drinking water. A 2015 study published in Environmental Health Perspectives goes a step further than earlier research by pointing to a common type of municipal sewage-treatment system, combined-sewer systems, as an important factor in these illnesses.”
The EPA considers
a major infrastructure problem.
None of this is new info.
Many current politicians fail to act out of fear for their career. Infrastructure is costly and changes are painful. BUT it needs to happen, and quickly.
IF people want to play at the Beach when the sun pops out, we NEED to push politicians to act for wastewater improvements.
– Pick up the phone and raise hell.
Write your representatives, and include pictures in the emails.
Vote out those that have failed.
The USA with its EPA office estimates about 40,000 sewage overflows occur across the country
– every single year.
The SSO condition is one where untreated sewage (toilet, laundry, bath water, etc) is discharged into the environment. It is often the result of a WasteWater disposal system having an overflow, spill, release, discharge, or diversion of untreated or partially treated WasteWater. The factors creating this condition come from inflow of excessive stormwater into sewer lines during heavy rainfall, malfunctions of equipment, human operator error at WasteWater treatment plant facilities.
They are NOT ever 100% pure feces – they are ALWAYS mixed with a HUGE amount of water.
Do you flush with pure piss ? NO you don’t !!!! The toilet flushes Pure Drinking Water from its tank.
Do you do laundry with water, of course you do. Same with the dishwasher, your kids bath and your shower ?
The “”sewage”” is always a majority of Drinking Water mixed with a tiny portion of feces and piss.
IF and WHEN an extremely hard rain causes leakage, inflow, infiltration, – from the RAIN drainage system – into the “”sewage””” drain system, it further DILUTES the feces and piss.
A person claiming a 100% pure raw sewage spill – is lying to you.
It is more like primarily 90% water and 10% fecal matter and piss.
Is it still nasty, smelly, and something you want to avoid, YES !!!! The drain systems should be separated – in all cities – in all counties – to protect the natural fresh water supply around us.
Stricter, tighter, more punitive measures should be in place to FORCE communities into compliance of a ZERO occurrence policy for Combined Sewer Overflows.
It is simply not okay to spray a bit of sodium hypochlorite onto some minimally screened sewage. The effectiveness of chlorine is highly dependent on the chlorine concentration, time of exposure, and the pH of the water. It is tricky, complicated, and involves constant monitoring.
The only real true solution is 100% seperation of the sewer systems in all neighboring communities – along with true, hard core, sewage treatment plants, releasing “clean” water back into the environment.
Continuous improvement, NOT status quo, apathy, complacency,
“”we met compliance standards””.
Beat the standard, Crush it, Jump over the bar, and expect more from local government.
People need to understand what a Sewer Interceptor pipe actually is.
They can be 12ft in Diameter, and are buried 40 – 80 ft underground (deep).
A while back (January 2013) reporter Norb Franz wrote :
“METCO engineers recommended the connection of the Warren waste water system to the Oakland Macomb Interceptor.“
“Two overflow chambers would
be constructed below ground, and flow that exceeds the capacity of
the city’s 428 miles of sanitary sewers would discharge into a
12-foot-9 diameter section of the Interceptor.”
“The giant sewer stretches 21 miles, from the area of 23 Mile and
Dequindre roads, south through Sterling Heights and then to the
ITC corridor before sewage reaches a pumping station near
Eight Mile and Hoover roads in Detroit.”
“Any sewage that pours into the Oakland Macomb Interceptor would be measured and eventually flow into the Detroit Water and
Sewerage Department system where it would be treated.”
“The city would be billed for that treatment process, which includes disinfectant. The project would require new relief sewers along 13 Mile, 12 Mile, 10 Mile and Interstate 696.”
This Interceptor Project rehabilitation costs about $ 160 MILLION, not exactly chump change.
The reason for all the expenditure is quite clear to anyone that suffered flooding recently.
The details regarding the Interceptor Project Rehabilitation can be viewed in this report
Ask a LOT of questions about how YOUR neighborhood and house is hooked up to the sewers. Perhaps you want an Insurance Rider specifically for Flood Incidents.
I know exactly what path my poop takes to Warren’s Waste Water Treatment Plant. Do you know what your house is connected towards ?
How well does any realtor understand the local sewer system ? Are they knowledgeable about flooding via the basement piping – versus – water coming into the basement windows, off the street ? Insurance does NOT automatically cover both scenarios. !
Is the house you want to buy in a FEMA special zone, and what exactly does that mean ?
Macomb County has the 2 very large cities of Warren and Sterling Heights – both involve the Red Run drainage system. Has the Drain Commissioner and his office provided you the info you wanted over the years ?
Most of my research info comes from Oakland County ! Yes the stormwater in the Red Run actually comes from across Dequindre (over there), by OaklandMall, by MadisonHeights, Troy, Clawson, etc.
Everyone fully understands their water and sewage bill and how it was calculated, right ? Sure you do, your local political rep can explain it to you, I’m sure.
Let’s start with the fact that Macomb and Oakland are LINKED together, underground.
The wonderful COSDS and OMID go right through Warren, Michigan. Much of everything was/is estimated (truly, really, no joke) since it wasn’t completely accurately measured. Ask your local political rep, they’re all up to date on SCADA, what was missed, what was estimated. It’s all very fair, they wouldn’t lie to you, would they ? It’s transparent and easy to understand, eh ? How do you feel about paying infrastructure taxes ?
Swim from Warren to Mt Clemens in the Clinton River and then out to Lake St Clair, sure why not. The artificial yearly stocked fish do. It’s clean, ask the fish. You paid for the fish to be put in there, go swim with them.