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The Multi-Million Dollar Red Run Riddle

September 6, 2013

What happens when the Red Run Drain is “really” FULL ?
About to run over its’ earthen banks from
Dequindre to Hayes in Warren, Michigan, USA ?

When the Red Run flows almost at STREET LEVEL ;
it also surcharges, fills, backs up, all of the
neighborhood storm water drains that feed into it.
This causes residents basements to flood.

Large amounts of money – literally 100’s of millions of dollars
$$$ have been spent attempting to get storm water to drain
out of Oakland County into the Red Run Drain flowing thru Warren.
Now the Interceptor project will cost really big money across the region
along with Warren wanting $55 million in bonds for sewage infrastructure.

It won’t fix the repeated HIGH WATER issue in the Red Run Drain
which directly affects residents by backing up the storm drains
in local neighborhoods along Ryan Road.

On May 25, 2011 the George W. Kuhn Retention Treatment Basin
discharged approximately 1.6 BILLION (with a b) gallons of water
into the Red Run Drain; nearly filling it to the point of touching
the bottom of the Ryan Road Red Run Bridge – near 620 ft of elevation.



~~~~~~~ click to enlarge any of the pictures below ~~~~~~~~~

Almost ALL of NorthWest Warren is near 620 ft of elevation.
It varies only a few feet up/down from Dequindre,Ryan,Mound,Van Dyke,Hoover, etc.

Elevation 620 ft NorthWest Warren Red Run

Elevation 620 ft NorthWest Warren Red Run

Even on diagrams used by City of Warren Engineering staff
the old flood plain elevation near 620 feet shows up

Flood Plain Elevation Red Run Bridge

Flood Plain Elevation Red Run Bridge

Modern Elevation GIS Warren Macomb

Modern Elevation GIS Warren Macomb

The storm drain pipes are buried beneath the subdivision roads
at elevations less than 620 ft, easily becoming surcharged,
via the Red Run Drain.

Let’s not forget the wonderful clay that exists beneath Warren
further impacting the drainage of rain from the sky

Underground Ryan Road Red Run Bridge

Underground Ryan Road Red Run Bridge

That is 126 ft across the Red Run Drain at the 620 ft elevation mark
easily submerging ANY storm drain pipe attempting to empty into it.

Side View Red Run Ryan Road Bridge

Side View Red Run Ryan Road Bridge

High Water Mark Ryan Road Red Run Bridge

High Water Mark Ryan Road Red Run Bridge

High Water Red Run Drain Ryan Road

High Water Red Run Drain Ryan Road

So any storm drain from a local neighborhood street in the area
is basically surcharged, backed up, filled to capacity,
at approximately the 620 foot elevation – from the Red Run Drain flow.

NorthWest Warren 14 Mile Road Boundary

NorthWest Warren 14 Mile Road Boundary

Ryan Road Chicago Road Red Run 1997

Ryan Road Chicago Road Red Run 1997

The drainage pipes for the subdivision are extremely low
in elevation and the manhole cover access quickly gets
submerged as well, as the water levels hit 620 ft in elevation

Subdivision Drain Down Low #1

12 Towns Drain Oakland County ManHole

12 Towns Drain Oakland County ManHole

The massive amount of raging water nearly touching the bottom of
the Red Run Bridge at Ryan Road in Warren is NOT an isolated incident.
It has occurred numerous times over the past 40 years and the
USGS gauges downstream have it all historically recorded.

An Example of the USGS Historical Data that all of SEMCOG has available

USGS Gauge 15 Sept 2008 Clinton River

USGS Gauge 15 Sept 2008 Clinton River

An Example of the OverFlow Historical Data that all of SEMCOG has available

Red Run retention basin overflows

Red Run retention basin overflows

Red Run Combined Sewer Areas 2010

Red Run Combined Sewer Areas 2010

How many millions of dollars will it take to stop flooding
basements of residents when it rains really hard in Warren, Michigan ?

Perhaps dredging the Red Run Drain about 20 feet deeper
all the way from Dequindre to Mound needs to happen,
in order to increase capacity within the drain.
I remember them doing it once before, when I was a very young child.



This just cost everyone money – insurance claims – higher rates – etc., etc.

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