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USGS for Clinton River

The United States Geologic Survey (USGS) compiles a huge amount of info about WATER

The Clinton River Watershed is a large one in SouthEast Michigan, spanning BOTH the Oakland and Macomb County areas, based on the topography of the Michigan.


The Clinton River Watershed is broken into smaller groupings via HUC codes. An HUC code is the Hydrological Unit Code.

Learn more about the Watershed here , via the USGS :




Push politicians

Hi everyone, been super busy lately, sorry.  Please continue to push your local politicians to advance forward the STORMWATER issues that don’t magically vanish Jan 1, 2018.

Vigilance, tenacity, and yes, being pushy – are what is needed to force CHANGE.

Another year of beach closures,  muck on the shoreline, sewage overflows  ???????

Could 2018 be the year your basement gets flooded , again – sure it will – because nothing really changed in the past 52 weeks , has it  ????


Infrastructure Town Hall at Cranbrook

Oakland County will have a Town Hall to discuss INFRASTRUCTURE via drains/sewers and stormwater management. Of course funding is the main concern $$$$$$$$$$.

Monday, November 20th from 6pm – 8pm

Cranbrook Institute of Science’s Auditorium,

39221 Woodward Ave., Bloomfield Hills, Michigan

Meeting Cranbrook

Loosing Water from the GLWA System

NRW –  non revenue waterloss – is not exactly a popular topic for utilities   !!  Nice how they spin a new acronym for what everyone else would call a LEAK.

Let’s hope that Candice Miller, her office, and the GLWA aggressively attacks water leaks, searches them out, stops the waterloss, and fixes infrastructure.

Listed below are excerpts from a conference involving LEAKS  aka (NRW) :

We have a historical tradition of ignoring water loss in North America. The assumption has always been that our modern utilities are “system tight” and have no need of further detailed analysis. In fact, most utilities have largely fabricated numbers in the past on their unaccounted for water percentages, and they have a history of sticking to those numbers.

Distribution system managers are now embarrassed to admit that their prior numbers were actually wrong. This is a political as well as an HR problem. Admitting the true state of the water utility system is a negative message to a water utility board, as well as a HR performance problem for distribution system managers. No one wants to now come clean — for fear of reprisals.

Employee performance appraisals don’t currently encourage seeking better accuracy in water loss reporting.  There are no incentives for distribution system managers to now work hard on NRW. Upper utility managers need to encourage and even reward this brave behavior. Adopting water loss policies within the utility would help this tremendously.

General Managers and Board Members assume that the NRW solutions are too costly and unaffordable, and therefore better evaluation of NRW is pointless. Water sales revenues are down in most utilities because of declines in per capita consumption, and there is no easy discretionary money anymore. There is a fear on the part of many finance directors that the NRW solutions will be extremely costly (new meters, new pipes) and thus unaffordable. So why go look for NRW and let Pandora out of the box?

There is fear of letting the ratepayers know the truth. As many utilities are facing drought and asking their consumers to reduce their water use, they are reluctant to now admit that their leakage might be excessive. It is a utility messaging problem to its own customers. If leakage was really so serious, the beleaguered consumer might legitimately ask, why didn’t the utility do this FIRST

Lack of dedicated utility funding for NRW is a perceived barrier to progress. The irony is that NRW reduction actions don’t have to be funded out of stressed operating budgets where funds may be already tight; they can be funded out of capital- improvement- programs (capex) or performance based loans. The payback is excellent:  money saved by recovering and selling lost water more than pays for the cost of its recovery.

There is little perceived connection of NRW management to overall sustainability/climate change resiliency goals that the utility may have. Nothing makes a utility system more resilient than controlling its wanton leakage. Being in control of all of its assets enables a better response when water shortages occur due to climate chance and other factors. Being sustainable means managing water resources responsibly, and controlling NRW should be part of that needed response but so far is not.

There is a little government regulation of water loss in most states. Where state policies do exist, they are based on the antiquated “unaccounted for water” percentages, which are not often accurate (see point #1) and can mask the true impact of leakage in different sized water systems. Managing NRW should be a matter of government and regulatory concern. Bond rating agencies are now starting to look at NRW as a way to measure utility system efficiency, but so far government policies and guidance are mostly nonexistent.

A true Business Case analysis of NRW is not a prevalent practice nor even perceived as a necessary undertaking. Thus, the benefits of reducing leakage in a utility system are not even examined. Clear payback on NRW reduction investment is not analyzed, which is an antiquated way of managing a business, let alone a precious natural resource.

The value of water is taken for granted, both by the utility system managers and the consumers that they serve. The “value” of water is not what the utility might have paid back in 1910 when they acquired the water supply, it is the marginal cost of acquiring new water; recovering leaks then becomes the cheapest source of new supply. And when a customer is willing to pay 10,000 times more for water in a bottle versus from the tap, we clearly have a problem with the customer not valuing the incredible investment in drinking water that they now enjoy for very little money. Until we change this fundamental perception problem at both the utility and customer levels, NRW management will not reach the priority that it should.

FEMA stuck in 2006 ?

Why are our politicians, representatives, and officials sitting on their behinds and simply NOT pushing hard for FEMA map updates when everyone knows Warren and other cities were hit extremely, severely, catastrophically with a Flood in 2014 ?

Flooding via wet basements counts as a flood !  Just because it did not flow into the house via a window at ground level, does not mean a house did not suffer flood damage.

The FEMA site still has 2006 maps for Warren , Michigan, USA

Yes, there are some minor updates, but the maps still show 2006 predominately.


SEE for yourself, pull it up on your own screen, in late 2017, going on 2018+,42.52487561917088,-83.04804997338813,42.535311960901325

Are our government officials really putting on blinders, locking themselves away from reality, refusing to face the strong ugly facts that it will happen again, soon  ??????


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Red Run Drain site at RYAN ROAD BRIDGE (south of 14 mile Road)

FEMA panels still say 2006, while many homes in the area had severe flooding





River levels rise by court order

Originally written by me back on September 28th, 2010

As the fall season in Michigan approaches each year, many local lakes levels are lowered, dumping water into the rivers. The Oakland County Drain Commissioner lowers the lake volumes from October 1 to May 15th every year by a court order. While fall kayaking and canoeing can be a great time of year to paddle, please be advised the rivers probably have a bit more current and volume to them as the October draw down takes place.

Michigan State law, The Drain Code – Act 40 of 1956 gives the County Water Resources Commissioner powers and responsibilities to govern legally established drainage systems within the county.

The Clinton River relies on water flow from Oakland County Lakes.  When the sluice gates close on the lakes, the Clinton no longer gets water from its upstream water sources.

Powerboaters are a powerful lobby as they own lakefront property, docks, expensive boats and have a deep vested interest in protecting their investments all year long.  Hopefully, as more communities begin to see the value of all Blue Infrastructure, more attention will be become focused to the importance of river recreation .

Paddlesports has continued to grow by leaps and bounds. The amount of money spent on kayak and canoe purchases and the associated gear is phenomenal across Michigan.  Rivers are water trails – just like a foot path, bicycle path, snowmobile path, etc.  They are a resource, similar to a local park with grassy open areas with swings, slides and playgrounds. People often choose to pay a premium to live near a clean navigable river.

As I said previously, the Clinton River Flow is heavily impacted by court orders :

Cass Lake Court Ordered Level Report –

Cemetery and Dollar Lakes Court Ordered Level Report –

Crystal Lake Court Ordered Level Report –

Greens Lake Court Ordered Level Report –

Lester Lake Court Ordered Level Report –

Loon Lake Court Ordered Level Report –

Maceday and Lotus Lakes Court Ordered Level Report –

Mohawk and Wormer Lakes Court Ordered Level Report –

Oakland and Woodhull Lakes Court Ordered Level Report –

Orchard Lake Court Ordered Level Report –

School House Lake Court Ordered Level Report –

Silver Lake Court Ordered Level Report –

Sylvan, Otter, and Dawson Mill Lakes Court Ordered Level Report –

Upper Silver Lake Court Ordered Level Report –

Van Norman Lake Court Ordered Level Report –

Watkins Lake Court Ordered Level Report –

Williams Lake Court Ordered Level Report –

Resilience in Macomb County ?

Does the County of Macomb demonstrate resilience ?  Resilience is that ability to maintain or recover functionality in the event of a disruption or disturbance. Resilience requires thinking, planning, foresight, on a number of levels across many disciplines.

FLOODING in Warren – why yes, of course it happens, frequently, and often  !!


I am not a religious guy, do not attend church, and have zero affiliations.  I think it is absolutely wrong for any county or city to “expect” religious groups to be the First to aid, help, rescue, provide relief, in a time of disaster like a flood scenario.

A crisis often involves rushed thinking, which often overlooks issues, that need to be solved in a timely manner. There needs to be dedicated anticipatory thought, to highlight the shortcomings, to pre-plan so to speak, long before a crisis actually occurs. Resources are often scarce during crisis, and brainstorming before hand can eliminate part of the wasteful processes.

Past severe weather events are exactly that, in the past  ! Focus must be on the future crisis that have yet to occur and that demands critical thinking to occur now, during peace and quiet. Water knows no boundaries of man, no line on a map, it flows based on topography. Unfortunately man has intervened and force-fed water to various areas , often based on politics.

The MDEQ certainly isn’t able to tell anyone the cumulative total of gallons that enters the City of Warren from Oakland County  – because it simply isn’t measured by equipment. The combined sewage overflow (CSO) entering the Red Run Drain from the South Oakland County Sewage District System (SOCSDS -12Towns) –  just doesn’t include all the drains.

Do people generally fill things from the Top or the Bottom ? Sounds like a simple question.  Direct,  straight forward,  to the point,  not terribly complicated. When something is filled from the bottom, it is generally PUMPED in, under pressure. It has to –  to overcome the atmospheric pressure pushing down on it. Does any city pressurize its street drainage system – of course not, that would be foolish you say ?

Pressure at the bottom

When is the last time you dove, underwater, to a depth of 10 feet, maybe 20 feet  ?  Remember the pressure on your ears, lungs, etc.  ?  The exact same thing happens to Open Channel Stormdrains when they are full to the top in Macomb County.

Stuck in the 1990’s Infrastructure

The 12TownsDrain was built a long,  long time ago, and had improvements over the years. It goes by the name GWK Retention Basin Facility, but I fear it is still stuck in the early 1990’s infrastructure mode of reporting info to the public.  Macomb County residents don’t really get a “true” understanding of the “mixture” volume entering the Red Run Drain into Warren for any given rainstorm. Some of it is sewage going through screens, some of it stormwater bypassing the screens – but mixing with “treated” sewage as it enters the Open Channel continuing for 8 miles into the Clinton River.

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Red Run Drain capacity

USACE Contract Detroit

The open channel drain from Dequindre, near Chicago Road, in Warren, flowing towards the Freedom Hill concert venue, and merging with the Clinton River near Fraser. This “path” has been proposed as a cycling/hiking path connecting the two counties.

Red Run Bike Path

Red Run Bike Path



I call BULLSHIT on “perceived” rain

Time to stop beating around the bush, and call BULLSHIT on the claim :

“it only rains hard, once in awhile”,   “it’s a once in 10 year storm”, etc., etc.

The hard data from USGS Gauges on the Clinton River   prove otherwise. 

The Flood Stage was reached numerous times :  2008, 2011, 2014, 2015, 2017

In fact, it rained damn hard,  numerous times the past 20 years. (scroll down)

It’s time to invest in better infrastructure to deal with sewage from Oakland County, entering The City of Warren, the Clinton River, and Macomb County property.

USGS GAUGE INFO – Location @ Garfield Road, South of Clinton River Rd


Gauge Location Pinch Point

September 2008 Clinton River




Clinton River pinch point

The Clinton River definitely involves LARGE water volume from the 12TownsDrain. The river merges with tributaries from Sterling Heights, Rochester Hills, etc. towards a pinch point near Fraser. The USGS has a gauge, measuring various items near Garfield Road, just south of Clinton River Road.


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Last week , Oct 8th – Oct 15th, SouthEast Michigan accumulated a bit of rainfall. This can easily be shown by the Clinton River doubling in height, literally twice, as shown by the measuring equipment from the USGS.

Clinton River October 2017

I will not insult anyone, but instead leave it up to my readers/viewers to debate the information shown on the MDEQ website regarding the Combined Sewage Overflow amounts. I’m at my wits end, attempting to understand the OUTPUT VOLUMES in millions of gallons from the 12TownsDrain aka GWK Retention Basin Facility.

Please look hard at the rainfall precipitation – and – the volume

Enlarge the pic below,  or download your own screenshot,  from the link above


I have a basic understanding of rain variables – they are highly dynamic !

Location / Intensity / Duration / Frequency

It can rain like hell on one side of the street and not the other, then switch, or stop.

What I have trouble with,  is the HUGE amount of time it takes to present the public with the information from the MDEQ  website (often several days before it gets posted completely ) and the formulation of the Volume amounts.  The weatherman on the nightly 11:00pm news tells me how much it rained that day.

WeatherUnderground lets people see the private weather stations with rain gauges


I ask the MDEQ to come clean regarding the Volumes of CSO and how they are obtained. Tell the public the formulation, the procedure, the operation , for the GWK Facility. Is it a number that is in effect – Backed Into ? – after the rain stops ?. Perhaps calculated with some “Height”  x  “Width”  x  “Length”  inside the underground basin box ?

Is the combined sewage overflow MEASURED with actual instrumentation; or merely figured out with a best guess, approximation, estimation, calculation – after the fact  ?

This Blog started back in July 2011. I’ve been at this a while, and I wouldn’t attempt a guess at the CSO volumes the MDEQ reports for the GWK Facility  – I’m stumped .

My gut tells me it’s a calculation. Amount impervious surface, rainfall, duration, etc.

The true ACTUAL water volume that comes out, from under Dequindre Road, into the Red Run Drain is a mystery to me as well. The Henry Graham Drain, the North Drain Pipe, the Pollution Control Facility Outlet Weir, the South Drain Pipe and the Walker Relief Drain all empty onto a concrete slab at elevation of 597 ft above sea level for the open ditch, by Dequindre Rd & Chicago Rd.  in Warren, over in Macomb County.

Perhaps the newer technology SCADA equipment – (Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition) will aid MACOMB COUNTY Public Works in getting answers to the Public.




Clinton River doubles in height

Recent rainfall in Michigan caused the Clinton River to double in height, twice.

The sharp upwards curve shows the speed (flashiness) of stormwater increase.

Combined Sewer and Sanitary Sewer Overflow Information System

– Events by Receiving Water  –

Clinton River October 2017

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Location Gauge Fraser





SPIGIT for SouthEast Michigan

Crowdsourced innovation is an underutilized resource within local governments of SouthEast Michigan.  We have extremely well educated people in the area. Perhaps SPIGIT would aid Metropolitan Detroit government.

Innovate Infrastructure

A Crain’s Detroit article had these statistics.  Southeast Michigan ranks No. 1 nationally for the number of advanced automotive industry jobs (67,825) and businesses (462) and in the number of architectural and engineering jobs (78,740).
The region ranks No. 2 in the Midwest for the number of utility patents issued (3,734) and tech-focused jobs (171,380).
It also ranks No. 3 nationally in the percentage of total employment in the tech industry (8.5 percent and in the number of degrees earned in the STEM fields of science, technology, engineering and math (9,428 in the school year 2012-13).

Federal, state and local government organizations have immense pressure from their constituents to produce results. Cross-departmental collaboration and operations are the key to modernizing and evolving forward.

An example, in the form of a video



The Country of Jersey ?

So I’m looking over WordPress data info and I come across this today :

The Country of Jersey ?  I was curious, intrigued, and slightly confused.

Country of Jersey


“Jersey is NOT part of Great Britain.
The term Great Britain is the collective name
for England Scotland and Wales.
It is NOT part of the United Kingdom.
The United Kingdom means ‘Great Britain and Northern Ireland’.


The absolutely wonderfulness of the Internet is information goes absolutely everywhere. Every nook, crack, crevice gets the items that are published, regardless where in the world they happen to be. The Red Run Drain Blog goes just about anywhere you might imagine.

The biggest amount of views/hits are of course in the United States  :

The World WordPress

I’m not doing so well in Greenland…………………………………………………………………

There are distinct reasons I focus on WordPress, and “other” reasons I use Facebook.





Investigative journalism

“The Detroit Free Press spent nearly three months investigating the longstanding water quality problems at Lake St. Clair – compiling Michigan Department of Environmental Quality data on combined sewage overflows spilling to the lake and interviewing researchers, policy makers and citizen advocates for the lake.”

Keith Matheny, Detroit Free Press

Perhaps one of THE most important group of articles concerning Macomb County.

Multiple articles, over the weekend, and each day of the week, focused on various aspects, perspectives, and effects of an infrastructure badly in need of Federal Funding dollars $.  In addition, various videos explaining the issues of wastewater.

Day 1

Welcome to Lake St. Clair, where water pollution and beach closures remain unresolved

Across the river, Canada’s Chemical Valley adds to Lake St. Clair’s environmental issues

State lawmakers from Macomb County sponsor St. Clair water quality town hall

All that goose and gull poop is contributing to Lake St. Clair water woes, DEQ says

Day 2

Lake St. Clair is an economic, recreational plum that we sometimes treat like a toilet

Day 3

Years apart, 2 residents champion Lake St. Clair and its environmental problems

At Lake St. Clair town hall, residents sound off on E. Coli, mucky shorelines

Day 4

Oakland, Macomb water officials spar over Oakland’s role in Lake St. Clair’s woes 

Day 5

How to fix Lake St. Clair’s environmental problems — and why it hasn’t happened yet

Successful Town Hall Oct 2,2017

Video of the town hall meeting held October 2, 2017 at MacRay Harbor

It was a packed house, with almost every seat occupied, and people standing as well.

People could step-up, grab the microphone, and ask questions to the MDEQ panel.

It was well attended by politicians and members of the press/media.

The event raised awareness and elevated the need for infrastructure funding

Packed House



Clinton River Delta

Boaters of all types – Beware – construction on South side of the Harley Ensign Boat Launch, as the Clinton River Delta dumps sediment into Lake St Clair.

Frankly, this is a bit disturbing, based on the FACTS. Click on the link below : 

The International Association for Great Lakes Research (IAGLR)
is a scientific organization made up of researchers.

IAGLR article , as seen September 13, 2011 :

~ “””over a half-century worth of sediments of significant polluted
sediments appears to be preserved below depths that have been remediated.
When these polluted sediments are stirred up by storm and boat activity,
they might be carried out to Lake St. Clair where much of the Detroit area
receives their drinking water and about a third of all Great Lakes fish are caught“” ~


SouthEast Michigan Water Infrastructure

SouthEast Michigan must invest in water infrastructure
Stories will continue to unfold in this Sunday’s Detroit Free Press  

View as the Clinton River delta enter Lake St Clair,

right by Harley Ensign Boat Launch, and popular Metro Beach


The truth about sewage overflows

Direct from Candice Miller , concerning recent sewage overflows into Clinton River


EPA Clean Watersheds Needs Survey

A while back the EPA attempted to determine infrastructure needs in the USA.


In 2012 the CWNS survey for the USA determined
Total Needs: $271 billion
Wastewater treatment repairs, combined sewer overflow corrections, etc.

Lets focus on SouthEast Michigan and the number of Waste Water Treatment Plants


You can see that Macomb County has 3 distinct unique Waste Water Treatment Plants while Oakland County has only 1 in a very densely populated area of the county. Long long ago Oakland County decided to dance around the issue, instead of tackling it head on, and actually truly building a WWTP,  it went with a retention basin, the GWK.




Only now , in late 2017 is Oakland County slowly turning the corner on clean water

The new facility serves Auburn Hills, Independence Township, Lake Angelus, Lake Orion, Oakland Township, Orion Township, Oxford Township, the village of Oxford, Pontiac, Rochester, Rochester Hills, Waterford Township and West Bloomfield Township.


Pontiac stands out the solo , single, true WWTP in SouthEastern Oakland County


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Monday Labor Day Storm

Another rain storm is upon us for Monday, Labor Day, September 4, 2017

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Pretty sure we’ll get dumped upon, heavy rain and wind, as the front moves through tonight for the dinner hour.  BBQ plans might get disrupted.


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Looking like 6:00pm for areas like Warren, Michigan

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No doubt the guys at the GWK Retention Basin are gearing up for some “treatment” of combined sewage overflow , as water volume spills over the weir into the Red Run.

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You can see the time stamp scroll by via the captured images on PYKL radar

I have always been curious about weather, and why it rains in some places more than it does in others. The radar screens give us a glimpse into Mother Nature.

As we approach 7:00pm, the storm appears to be weakening as the rain slows.





Rain storm Aug. 28, 2017

The Red Run watershed area experienced heavy rainfall around 7:00pm Monday night. 

A few pictures and video were taken by me, dressed in full rain gear, from FrogToggs®. Remember this flow is primarily from OAKLAND COUNTY, entering Warren from the underground GWK Retention Basin Facility in Madison Heights. 

The large stormdrain in the side of the bank, under the bridge, is RAIN from the neighborhood streets and Ryan Road. Any combined sewer overflow came from cities in Oakland County. 


Work Red Run at Ryan Road

Warren, Michigan in Macomb County

—  Permits come from OAKLAND  – –

Coordinates of project in Warren, Michigan

Dawson Drive & Ryan Road Bridge

Update  “Hydraulics of Red Run”

—  ie. make the water flow better – –

USACE in Warren on Red Run

I feel sorry for residents of Warren living on Dawson Drive near the Red Run Drain. They bought houses with a view of some nature along the banks of the Red Run.  Now all they see is a massive dirt wall from a recent USACE project. The sightline of trees, off in the distance, is destroyed. 
These Macomb County residents in Warren suffer, due to the wishes of Oakland County politicians like LBrooks Patterson, pushing stormwater and sewage overflow, under Dequindre, via the 12TownsDrain system.


Looking Back in Time – 12TownsDrain

The Internet has a wayback machine, really it does  !

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Another from the archives  – page 30 of PipeLine Magazine 2007 3rd Quarter





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Update on USACE Red Run project

The United States Army Corps of Engineers plans to create an L shaped earthen structure near Ryan Road and Dawson Drive by the Red Run bridge in Warren, Michigan.

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The flood plain by the Red Run bridge is 615 ft – click on link



Where is everything – in relation to the Flood Plain elevation – at Ryan & Dawson   ?  

NOTICE the elevation of the sidewalk on corner of Ryan & Dawson = 617 ft


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Now riddle me this – what is the elevation at the bottom of the Red Run – where the main stormdrain empties into the channel – – and starts to backfill as the water level rises ????

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When the water level nearly touches the bridge as it has several times in the past – THAT pipe is completely submerged, under water, – and the water begins to back up, surcharge – gets BLOCKED – and begins to spill into the ground , via cracks in the 50 year old pipes.

Surcharge Description


Our basements are BELOW that 615 flood plain elevation – they begin to FLOOD.

Numerous neighbors have had this issue,  multiple times in the past.

FIX IT  !!!  – We bought home thinking engineers designed correctly – THEY DID NOT

It is easily proven, yet no one takes the initiative to fix sewage overflow channels like the Red Run in Macomb County – because the water comes from OAKLAND COUNTY sewers.

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Candice Miller, Mark Hackel, and others in Macomb County are acutely aware of the flooding situation in Warren – and refuse to hold OAKLAND COUNTY accountable .

Everything nearby flows into the Red Run drain, including the Centerline area.


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Starting to get a feel for the elevation issue at hand – Ryan Road at Dawson is low  !!

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The neighborhood of northwest Warren, Michigan

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USACE starts Red Run elevation project

The USACE starting dumping large quantities of dirt by Dawson Drive and Ryan Road, near the bridge that many cross over , coming to and from the Warren Community Center.  Apparently it started on Wednesday, July 5, 2017 according to nearby resident. A few pictures and additional info is viewable by scrolling down this posting.

The FLOOD PLAIN elevation is 615 ft above sea level , by the actual bridge itself. Ask yourself,  what is your basement laundry drain (spillover drain, in the floor) elevation ? The pipe where the flood came into your homes. Link describes the back-ups into houses.

A while back, a few of us residents in Warren by the Ryan Road – Red Run Bridge area received a letter from the United States Army Corps of Engineers regarding changing the elevation of the banks of the Open StormDrain Channel in Warren. The contractor was to be RBV Contracting, Inc.

“”A proposed work schedule would be a November 2015 start date with a July 2016 finish date.  Most likely start clearing trees in November 2015, and depending on cold/frozen ground, either continue to work in the winter to have everything completed by the spring 2016 or wait until low flows in the May-July 2016 time frame to do the final work.”

Charles A. Uhlarik
Chief, Environmental Analysis Branch
US Army Corps of Engineers, Detroit
477 Michigan Avenue
Detroit MI 48226-2550

The Letter

After the July 4th, 2017 holiday – the dirt began to be dumped by the Red Run

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Notice the 615 elevation line, and the red highlighting (enlarge/zoom the pic if necessary)

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According to the USACE via email on Aug 31, 2015

“The berm placement is not for flood prevention. The proposed project is bank excavation to reduce the bank steepness (slope) along 1,100 lineal feet of existing drain bank.  The bank has slumped and discharged sediments into the drain which will affect the end area of the drain and the ability of the drain to adequately discharge flood waters. Approximately 29 cubic yards of sediment will be excavated per lineal foot of drain to reduce the bank steepness and minimize the likelihood of a future bank slump. The toe of slope at the water line will be armored with rock to minimize scouring.  All excavated material will be placed above the 100 year floodplain elevation of 616.4. About 16,000 cubic yards of excavated material will be placed into a reconfigured berm north of the work area and 3,600 yards placed in an “L” shaped configuration at the Ryan Road site located at Ryan and Dawson intersections. Neither of the placement areas are designed as flood protection berms but are sediment placement areas within the drain right of way.  In fact, the excavation to reduce the bank steepness will provide additional flood storage capacity estimated at  about 4 acre feet within the 100 year floodplain. The proposed project has not increased the drainage area of the project or changed the co-efficient of runoff for overland drainage from the right of way.”

Charles A. Uhlarik
Chief, Environmental Analysis Branch
US Army Corps of Engineers, Detroit
477 Michigan Avenue
Detroit MI 48226-2550

Frankly – its odd – as the stormdrains by Dawson and Ryan are under 615 ft elevation

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When the water level comes up – the stormdrains are submerged – under the water line ?

Take a LONG HARD LOOK at the water finding its’ level when it rains hard

—-click on the link — it is different than the pictures you see —–

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Best of luck to everyone, hopefully Warren residents have fewer flooded basements as we move towards 2020 and beyond. Protect yourself with the “proper” insurance riders on your policy. A wet flooded furnace blower motor and washer/dryer could set you back thousands of dollars $.

What did FEMA tell your family  ?  Where are the maps updated, revised, modified to reflect reality of the past 20 years of rain events and wet basements ?

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Great Lakes in trouble

It is now 2017, and the Great Lakes are still in peril.  Too much pollution exists.

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Sewage overflow into the Clinton must stop – from Oakland County and Macomb

We all live downstream, from someone else. Water flows on topography/geography.


Please don’t be fooled by hype, spin, media advertising, etc.

The Great Lakes need help.

We must separate combined sewer systems – protect the FRESH drinking water.



Normal water usage in households

There is a term used by water professionals : residential gallons per capita per day

Often is it abbreviated as R – GPCD .  The average for Metro Detroit = 65 gal/day

We live in Michigan – THE premier FRESH WATER spot of the United States

Clean fresh water needs to be protected from improperly overflowing sewer systems, and the old, outdated, archaic regulations of yesteryear need NEW court orders to raise the bar higher  !

How much water does your household put in the stormwater/ sewage drains ?

Realize a LOT of water use, involves groundwater, rain percolating thru the soil. That is why the stormwater sliding off oily parking lots, industrial parks, fertilized lawns, etc. is a major pollution issue all across SouthEast Michigan.

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Ecoli in open environments

The family of Enterobacteriaceae includes Ecoli and Salmonella. The two species resemble each other in many ways. Salmonella just has more genome complexity.


The data from various studies proves E. coli can persist in wet environments. Beach sand, aquatic plant life, stormwater channel dirt and vegetation, etc., etc.

Keep in mind Ecoli lives INSIDE of a host, a human, waterfowl, mammals. The temperature is fairly constant, along with moisture and other variables.  When feces makes it into the stormwater – via combined sewer overflows – it all changes a great deal.

Why focus on Ecoli – because some types of it are very harmful to humans. One particular pathogenic type ( E. coli O157:H7 ) , is a verotoxigenic (VTEC),  causing worldwide mortality.  More than 150 types of verotoxin-producing E. coli have been found.

Ecoli likes it wet, moist, damp, the exact situation involving Open Stormwater Channels. Some E. coli strains produce filaments that extend from the cell surface and help cells to attach to plant surfaces. Specifically, E. coli may access roots or leaf surfaces by splashing during rainfall or high strong Open Stormwater Channel flow.

Growth and survival of E. coli in open environments, strictly involves the availability of nutrients – provided by sewage overflow events. If these events are back-to-back, frequent strong thunderstorms, then the Open Stormwater Channels remain wet, and full of nutrients. E. coli strains often show a high degree of flexibility, giving them an advantage in the secondary habitats – such as soil and water.

E. coli can enter a ‘dormant’  state.   This can be triggered when the Ecoli cells feel stressed, perhaps when it gets to Starvation Mode. Scientists are still studying this mode. E. coli populations under complex natural conditions are not accurately predictable .

The conditions for survival of E. coli in sand/soil, feces and water are considered to be less favourable –  than in the intestinal system of their original hosts – humans, waterfowl, etc.  There is PLENTY of real world, actual outside, research to be done.


Sidewalks by Ryan and Chicago in Warren

For the last 50 years, no sidewalks have existed linking residents on the north side of the Red Run Drain , towards Halmich Park in Warren, MI.  -Recently the City of Warren DID update the Ryan Road Bridge with a beautiful walkway protecting cyclists, pedestrians, strollers, wheelchairs, BUT it leads nowhere but mud, slop, high grass, etc.

Now that 2 dilapidated houses have been demolished on the West side of Ryan Road, across the street from the VFW Hall, it’s a great time to create 24/7 and 365 sidewalk access to residents.

Red Run Bridge sidewalk.jpg

MailBox Location Ryan Road

Old house driveway address on Ryan Road

Approach Chicago Road Babylon Club

Just mud, grass, wet puddles, messy walk to Chicago Road

No Sidewalk approach to Chicago Road

Driveways existed, but no sidewalks to get to Chicago Road

Demolition Houses no sidewalk

Recently demolished houses on Ryan Road

Recent house demolitions Ryan Road

Site of torn down houses Ryan Road

Babylon Club to Red Run Bridge

Corner of Babylon Club looking north to Red Run Bridge on Ryan Road

Sidewalk never existed

No sidewalk by Babylon Club on Chicago & Ryan

Beautiful Pedestrian Walkway on Bridge

Along Ryan Road towards Red Run Bridge

No Sidewalk bridge approach

Roughly 50 years, no sidewalk, pedestrian/cyclist access

SideWalk Ends

Sidewalk stops, goes nowhere

Red Run Bridge walkway NO sidewalk to Chicago Road

Walkway off bridge to nowhere

Ryan Road Heavenly Lane by Red Run Bridge

Ryan Road north of Heavenly Lane

Ryan Road north to Dawson Drive

View north to 14 Mile on Red Run Bridge Ryan Road

Separate traffic from bicycles

View south to Chicago Road on Red Run Bridge Ryan Road

Red Run Property.jpg

Location Ryan Road

House 2