WHY is there soooo much standing water on the roads in March
as we drive around greater metropolitan Detroit Michigan ?
Perhaps it’s because they were built with improper drainage capability.
It’s easy to make a road; but a whole lot tougher to connect it
repeatedly to underground drainage network via multiple stormdrains.
MDOT is forced to work with County DRAIN commissioners as
roads are maintained, upgraded, and overhauled in the state.
No drainage = standing water. Puddles freeze at night in March.
That puddle in the right lane = ice forcing concrete open = potholes
Public Works Commissioner:
A statutory officer elected every four years.
S/he is responsible for the administration of the
Drain Code of 1956, as amended.
The duties of the Public Works Commissioner
include the construction and maintenance of County drains,
determining drainage districts, apportioning costs of drains
among property owners, and receiving bids and awarding
contracts for drain construction.
The Public Works Commissioner also approves drainage in subdivisions.
Contracts between Oakland County and Macomb County
via the Detroit Water and Sewage Department for stormwater
How does this fit into a Regional Water Authority
and who exactly pays the bill ?
When and if The Great Lakes Water and Sewer Authority (GLWA)
ever occurs, how does the lease operate for Warren, Michigan ?
Oakland County stormwater and CSO flows into the Clinton River
(via the Red Run in Warren,MI) and dumps into Lake St. Clair.
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Agenda of January 21, 2014
Item No. 13-0569
Amount: Revenue Contract Amendment No. 2
TO: The Honorable
Board of Water Commissioners
City of Detroit, Michigan
FROM: Sue F. McCormick, Director
Water and Sewerage Department
DATE: January 21, 2014
RE: Proposed Amendment No. 2 to
Water Service Contract with
George W. Kuhn Drainage District
MOTION: Upon recommendation of Sue F. McCormick, Director,
the Board of Water Commissioners authorizes the Director,
upon approval and execution by the wholesale water customer,
to execute Amendment No. 2 to the 30-year water
service contract with the George W. Kuhn Drainage District.
This Amendment will amend the terms of the existing
water service contract between the parties,
and also authorizes the Director to take such other action as
may be necessary to accomplish the intent of this vote.
It is therefore requested that the Board of Water Commissioners
authorize the Director to enter into this contract amendment.
On November 19, 2013,
the George W. Kuhn Drainage District (“Customer”)
Board agreed to the terms of Amendment No. 2 (“Amendment”)
to the Water Service Contract with the City of Detroit.
This Amendment is the second of several regularly occurring
amendments as mandated by the terms of the standard
30-year water service contracts with DWSD’s wholesale customers.
Pursuant to Section 5.07 of the contract, DWSD
and the Customer agree to affirm or modify the
projected annual volume, pressure range,
and maximum day and peak hour values
(collectively, the “Values”) at year 2 of the contract,
year 5 of the contract, and every 5 years thereafter.
In this Amendment, the Customer has agreed to modify
the Values for the 2014 to 2018 period as
stated in the attached Exhibit B.
In addition, this Amendment incorporates new or
modified contract language that was negotiated
in October 2011 by DWSD through the
Technical Advisory Committee outreach process to
address several contract provisions that DWSD
and its customers believed required expansion
The language set forth in this Amendment
is identical to the language proposed in the
24 amendments that were approved by the
Board of Water Commissioners in February 2013.
The substantive changes are summarized as follows:
Establishes a new defined term, “Allocation Flow Rate”,
for a process that existed under the previous contract language,
but was not specifically defined.
The bulk of the modifications occur in this section.
In summary, the modifications provide:
a. Revised time lines throughout the section
to conform to actual practice;
b. A new time line for the annual notification of any
alleged customer violation of the maximum flow rate;
c. For the establishment of a meeting procedure to
validate an alleged flow rate violation and negotiate a remedy;
d. Clear guidelines for work group review and
recommendation on all flow rate violations;
e. Assurance that DWSD and the customer have the
right to present all relevant information during
the flow rate violation review process;
f. For the utilization of the new defined term,
“Allocation Flow Rate”, to describe a
previously existing process; and
g. For DWSD to apply the remedy for a flow rate violation
from the date of the first violation or some subsequent date.
Adds a mandate for DWSD review of customer construction
that may impact DWSD infrastructure.
This Amendment will amend the terms of the
existing water service contract between DWSD
and the Customer
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The Red Run in Warren as we know it today came about
via the USA Federal Flood Control Act of 1970.
Make no mistake about it.
The USA House of Representatives Document # 91-431
via Chief Engineer of the United States Army Corps of Engineering.
Back in 1970 , the sum of $40 Million was allocated to the project.
Inflation calculators peg $1 worth of 1970 dollars is now worth $6.00
It was a very expensive project, way beyond any local cities budget.
Oakland and Macomb Counties along with SEMCOG, would do well to
create an interconnected multi-use trail along the access path.
The area would benefit from Eco-Tourism by drawing in people
and keeping local residents from constantly travelling elsewhere.
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The plan for the City of Warren via METCO studies in 2012 :
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METCO Services will pay Warren $1,099 per month (starting Jan. 2014)
for five years to use just over 1,000 square feet of space
at the Water Division building on Stephens Road near
Schoenherr, according to lease documents.
James VanHavermaat was Vice-President of Engineering for METCO.
He supervised the design and construction of wastewater
pumping systems, collection systems, wastewater odor control facilities,
and watermains – in the City of Warren.
Warren City Council just voted 5-2 on March 12, 2013 to approve a
3 year engineering contract with…. Metco Services, Inc.
Remember this story about James VanHavermaat and Warren ?
~Anthony Marrocco and Steenbergh served together on the
county Board of Commissioners in the 1980s.
~Steenberghs first day on the job was Oct. 31,2011
Anthony Marrocco and Deputy Public Works Commissioner Gene Schabath
are the only ones allowed to comment on matters concerning Steenberghs hiring.
Steenbergh’s hiring was handled via the county Human Resources Department.
~ Steenbergh ~ In his new position will act as a liaison to local officials,
the media and the public on issues related to the
Oakland-Macomb Interceptor: sewer rates and rate increases,
fees, capital improvements, state/federal grants, and general concerns.
As February 2014 draws to a close, the weather will get ice cold
and the State of Michigan is concerned about the frozen ground.
Underground items get disturbed as very heavy tractor trailer loads
take a massive toll on the roads, bridges, overpasses, etc.
Winter melt water and early spring storms are forced into the
drainage network since the frozen ground rejects seepage.
The quality of the “fill” material around pipes is also very important.
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DETROIT/PONTIAC MI
548 PM EST THU FEB 20, 2014
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN DETROIT/PONTIAC HAS ISSUED AN
* URBAN AND SMALL STREAM FLOOD ADVISORY FOR
RAIN AND MELTING SNOW IN…
MACOMB COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN…
OAKLAND COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN…
WAYNE COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN…
* UNTIL 1130 PM EST
Get ready for the melted slush and rainfall upon a
frozen ground layer, leaving the water no place to go,
but inside the stormwater drainage systems.
LOTS of salt mixed into those snow piles too, all over town !
Washington’s Birthday, also known as Presidents’ Day,
is a federal holiday held on the third Monday of February.
Michigan frost line depth calls for construction folks
to place footings and posts at 42 inches below grade.
This year it may have frozen to 4ft down (48 inches)
NOAA is predicting 5 days of temps above freezing
Tuesday ——– sunny skies, with high near 37.
Wednesday — mostly sunny, with a high near 38
Thursday ——- cloudy, rainy, with a high near 41
Friday ———– mostly sunny, with a high near 36
Saturday ——- partly sunny, with a high near 33
Remember, that Oakland County’s rainfall, snowmelt, etc.
becomes our problem as it flows to Lake St. Clair via
the Kuhn Retention Basin and Red Run – it’s all intertwined.
The first meeting of 10 county commissioners (elected legislators)
from Wayne, Oakland and Macomb counties took place Tuesday Feb 11 2014
to discuss the Great Lakes Water Authority .
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Our clean drinking water from Port Huron and the Belle Isle intake
flows along these water pipelines. Who will be in charge for the future ?
How will these quilt of sewage agreements evolve ?
How will it all be accurately measured, monitored and
proper billing be maintained to the ordinary residents ?
Oakland County most desperately NEEDS the City of Warren and the
Red Run Drain to empty itself of stormwater during weather events.
Will the City of Warren benefit from the large open “channel” ?
The water from the Oakland Mall area has to go someplace
when it rains and the snow piles melt .
The Clinton River is driven by Storm Water run off
A mere 1 inch rainfall .. on 1000 sq ft
= 623 gallons of water that has to go “somewhere”
Drain overflow alarms Macomb County officials
By Elizabeth A. Katz, Journal Register News Service
Posted: 09/28/08, 12:00 AM EDT
A walk back into history – not that long ago…
The George W. Kuhn Drain in Madison Heights,
Michigan’s largest retention basin and
water treatment center, was expanded in 2005
at a cost of $132 million.
Capacity of the basins was increased to
130 million gallons of storm water and
sewage that could be retained and treated.
But this expansion wasn’t enough to prevent an
overflow discharge of 1.16 million gallons
of a treated combination of sewage and rain water
into the Red Run Drain when rain poured
relentlessly over the area the weekend of Sept. 13-14.
That overflow was then discharged into the
Clinton River watershed and eventually
into Lake St. Clair, the main source of
drinking water for millions in southeastern Michigan.
According to the Michigan Department of
Environmental Quality, however, the amount of
fecal coliform found in that discharge was
compliant with National Pollutant Discharge
Elimination System standards.
“The storm itself was a 25-year storm,” said Tim Prince,
chief engineer for operations and maintenance for
the Oakland County Drain Commission.
“I will say that it’s a significant volume
of water and it’s very unusual.”
The discharge, however, concerns Macomb County officials,
considering that a similar discharge of about
1 billion gallons flowed into
Lake St. Clair in 1994 from what was then the
Twelve Towns Drain, which effectively closed
the entire shoreline for the summer.
The Macomb County Health Department reports that the
discharge from Sept. 13-14 rains coincided with
beach closures at Blossom Heath and Memorial parks
in St. Clair Shores and Burke Park in New Baltimore
from Sept. 15 until Sept. 17.
Stephen Lichota, associate director of environmental
health services for Macomb County, said that New Baltimore
beach remained closed as of Sept. 22 because of the discharge.
Metro Beach in Harrison Township,
the largest public access to the lake, remained open.
Lichota said there is always a concern that exists
when overflows occur, but residents in any county
need to be aware that what they put on the ground,
such as fertilizers, and what they may dump into
street sewer drains ends up in the retention basins.
The Twelve Towns Drain was renamed the George W. Kuhn Drain
in 2006 in honor of the former Oakland County Drain Commissioner.
It serves an area of 24,500 acres within 14 Oakland County communities.
The DEQ noted that total rainfall was almost
five inches over the Sept. 13 weekend
with a total spill duration of 23 hours.
Prince said the Kuhn Drain is a combined sewer
overflow district, meaning that sanitary sewers
and storm water are connected to the drain.
Water and sewage is treated through a
chlorination system that kills the
bacteria and small and large debris is screened out.
It is then released into the Red Run Drain.
“Everything was in compliance”
with the DEQ, Prince said.
Prince said the updated system has eliminated
approximately three overflows per year –
or a total of 12 overflows since updates
were completed in 2005.
Rain several weekends ago overtaxed the system.
Doug Martz, chairman of the Macomb County Water
Quality Board, said he’s glad that improvements
have been made to the Kuhn Drain, but ideally,
he’d like to see the elimination of all overflow discharges.
A Harrison Township resident and St. Clair Channelkeeper,
Martz formed the citizen action group Sludge Busters
in 1994 in reaction to the Macomb County beach closures.
He was then appointed to the Water Quality Board,
which reports to the Macomb County Board of Commissioners.
Martz said the Water Quality Board will hold its
regularly scheduled meeting on Oct. 7 with
the Kuhn Drain’s overflow discharge issue on the agenda.
Warren can let everyone see the sewage drainage maps using
the GIS systems via Esri, ARC viewer, etc.
How often they get cleaned via sewer jetting and what sort
of maintenance the drains receive is a another story.
The Bear Creek Inter-County Drain Drainage District
was a special purpose public corporation Regulatory Authority
via Anthony V. Marrocco & John P. McCulloch.
There even was an entity called a “”Channel Keeper“”
The most searched item on this blog – maps !
Where does the water go, what does it connect to, etc., etc. ?
Back in the early 2000′s, a LOT of effort was put forth
regarding water drainage in the Warren, Michigan area.
Since that time, the info valve has been quiet, non-existent.
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They even put scuba divers into manholes
Analysis, investigations, reports were generated
CITY OF WARREN
SANITARY RELIEF SEWER AND WATERMAIN PROJECT:
LOCATION: 12 Mile Road between Newport Drive and St. Edmund Drive
CLOSURE START DATE: February 6, 2014
ESTIMATED OPEN DATE: December 2014 (Exact Date TBD).
DESCRIPTION: Extension of new 18” – 48” Sanitary Relief Sewer
along the center of 12 Mile Road and
12” Watermain along the South side of 12 Mile Road.
John Crumm, AICP
Director of Planning
Macomb County Department of Roads
117 S. Groesbeck Hwy.
Mt. Clemens, MI 48043
MACOMB COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF ROADS
CONSTRUCTION UPDATES EFFECTIVE FEBRUARY 7, 2014
Wade Trim has done a lot of water/sewage work around Warren, MI.
They put together some great illustrations of gravity drainage systems.
Warren grew rapidly in the late 1950′s and early 1960′s.
Warren used to be farm country, now it is paved over everywhere,
and the water has to “flow” quickly, away, from the homes.
Warren’s archaic drain system simply can’t cope with today’s conditions.
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An article about Infrastructure Investment written by Chris Edwards
and posted on the Cato Institute website caught my eye.
A modern economy needs items that last a long time to form
- a foundation for other every day activities in society.
The private sector is quite often the heartbeat of these assets.
Some may claim it is governments role to fund infrastructure.
A matter concerning efficiency of investment rears its ugly head.
Corruption, politics, mis-management all lead to cost overruns.
A quote from the article
“Privatization of infrastructure promises to improve efficiency,
reduce burdens on taxpayers, and spur badly needed growth”
Chris Edwards research discovered that
private infrastructure investment in the United States
is five times larger than total nondefense government investment.
Federal infrastructure investment has been known to be misallocated.
Agencies have burdensome regulations and no incentives for efficiency.
The essay goes on to say many countries have partly
privatized infrastructure through public-private partnerships
(“PPPs” or “P3s”).
A number of U.S. states have moved ahead with P3s and privatization.
“When private businesses are taking the risks
and putting their profits on the line,
funding is more likely to get allocated
to high-return projects and completed
in the most efficient manner.”
Apparently the P3 approach, i.e. design-build contracting approach,
guarantees the construction price and project completion schedule.
P3 projects typically experience capital cost savings
of 15 to 20 percent compared to traditional government contracting.
A Brookings Institution study noted “Many advantages of PPP
stem from the fact that they bundle construction, operations,
and maintenance in a single contract.
This provides incentives to minimize life-cycle costs”
There are barriers to private infrastructure investment.
An excerpt from the article :
Tax exemption on municipal bond interest.
When state and local governments borrow funds to build infrastructure,
the interest on the debt is tax-free under the federal income tax.
That allows governments to finance infrastructure at a lower cost
than private businesses, which stacks the deck against the
private provision of infrastructure.
Policymakers should consider phasing-out the tax exemption on
state and local bond interest, perhaps in exchange for reducing
other tax rates on capital income.
Income and property taxation.
Government facilities don’t pay income taxes.
By privatizing infrastructure and thus subjecting it to taxation,
governments would broaden the tax base.
They would gain added revenues from base broadening,
which could be used to reduce tax rates and
spur greater overall investment.
Federal regulations have restricted efforts to
privatize state and local infrastructure.
Privatization would undermine the power of the
public-sector unions that often dominate government services,
and so unions actively lobby against reforms.
The article goes on to conclude that in order to meet demands
for new infrastructure capacity there needs to be innovation
with privatization and PPPs to the full extent possible.
The Interior Geospatial Emergency Management System (IGEMS)
provides the public along with federal, state
and local emergency management, online maps containing
the latest available information on current hazards.
It is supported by the Department of the
Interior Office of Emergency Management.
IGEMS Map Services:
IGEMS uses data provided by outside sources.
Esri, DeLorme, HERE, TomTom, USGS, NGA, USDA, EPA, NPS, NRCAN, AAFC
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Entire Red Run
A gravity fed drainage system relies on a gradient , an incline,
where one end of the pipe is at a higher level than another.
Over a distance of 1 mile (5,280 feet), one end of the pipe would have to be
100 feet deeper than the other for a 2 % slope in the drain pipe
It is expensive and time consuming to dig 100′s of feet
deep into the earth. Then crews have to make water tight connections
at 100′s of feet underground so that no leaks occur.
The deep pits would have to be safe and secure from cave-in
or collapse, preventing any possibility of death to a worker.
It all seems fairly straight forward and easy to comprehend.
Reality and economics come into play , gunking it all up.
Slopes which are slightly less than the recommended minimum slopes
— may be permitted —-. The operating authority of the
sewer system will give written assurance to the
appropriate reviewing authority that any additional
sewer maintenance required by reduced slopes will be provided.
In the end , it all comes down to COST, pure $$$ dollars.
A true statistical risk analysis of Mother Nature’s rainfall
on any given day, or week, is damn tough to predict.
Hopefully recent events and the in-inadequacies of 1950/1960 construction
methods can be overcome in the new projects and designs for the present day.
Tax payers need to realize infrastructure
is NOT the place for cutting corners or shortcuts.
Sanitary Relief Drains to cost $ 19 MILLION
The City of Warren will be constructing the following new sanitary
drains to relieve collection system surcharging during periods of
heavy rainfall or snowmelt.
12 Mile Road Relief Drain
Location: Within the 12 Mile Road right of way from its
intersection with the centerline of the St. Edmunds Drive right
of way, west to its termination point 155 feet west of the
centerline of the south Newport Drive right of way.
General Description of Work: Installation of approximately 4,300
linear feet of 21” to 48” diameter sanitary drain, installation
of a double barrel siphon under the Schoenherr Drain,
interconnection of the existing sanitary drains in the work area
to the new sanitary drain, installation of approximately 4,200
linear feet of 12” diameter watermain complete with all service
transfers, fire hydrants, and gate wells, and replacement of all
affected roadway, driveways and sidewalks, and landscaped areas
disturbed by construction, inclusive of all engineering,
inspection, testing and permitting costs associated with the
execution and completion of the work.
10 Mile Road Relief Drain
Location: Within the 10 Mile Road right of way from a point 420
linear feet west of its intersection with the centerline of the
Hoover Road right of way east to its termination point 860 feet
east of the centerline of the Roan Road right of way.
General Description of Work: Installation of approximately
3,400 linear feet of 36” diameter sanitary sewer, interconnection
of the existing sanitary drains in the work area to the new
sanitary drain, installation of approximately 3,400 linear feet
of 12” diameter watermain complete with all service transfers,
fire hydrants, and gate wells, and replacement of all affected
roadway, driveways and sidewalks, and landscaped areas disturbed
by construction, inclusive of all engineering, inspection,
testing and permitting costs associated with the execution and
completion of the work.
PROJECT COST ESTIMATES
Estimated Construction Costs,
Administration Costs, Easement
Acquisition and Engineering,
Permitting Financing Costs
(including Bond Discount)
—Not to Exceed $18,775,000 —
Period of Usefulness of the Project
Not less than 30 years from date of completion.
CITY OF WARREN
Macomb County, Michigan
CITY OF WARREN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BONDS, SERIES 2013
SECURITY FOR THE BONDS
The City agrees to pledge for the repayment of the Bonds
sufficient amounts of City taxes levied each year provided that
the amount of taxes necessary to pay the principal and interest
on the Bonds, together with the other taxes levied for the same
year, shall not exceed the limit authorized by law.
Detroit Water and Sewage Department (DWSD) is most
definitely connected to Warren and what happens
in Detroit’s system affects Warren residents.
DWSD is massive, huge, enormous, etc., etc. and the
costs to run “stuff” is in the $$$ tens of millions.
As 2014 gets underway, changes are occurring quite rapidly
to streamline operations for efficiency objectives.
Since the suburbs are all inter-connected via the
underground piping , all nearby communities will
be forced to share the associated costs to evolve.
Temperatures are often a few degrees higher in cities
than they are in their surrounding rural areas.
This temperature discrepancy is the result of a
phenomenon known as the Urban Heat Island effect.
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Objects (buildings) can and do absorb and reflect light.
The color of an object depends on what kind of light it reflects.
A yellow object reflects yellow light and absorbs all the others.
When we look at a yellow object, we perceive it as yellow
because it reflects the yellow wavelength of color back to our eyes.
Darker colored objects are excellent absorbers of light.
In fact, black surfaces absorb almost all light.
The sides of buildings, and their roofs, impact air temperatures.
The rate at which an object can reflect solar radiation
is called its “albedo” . The bigger the albedo something has,
the better it reflects radiation.
Everyday asphalt has a low albedo, it reflects radiation poorly
and instead – absorbs it – . It then converts that light
to thermal energy, and emits it back out as heat.
This heat absorption is why the temperature difference
between cities and rural areas is highest
a few hours after sunset.
Cities hold on to more heat for a longer period of time.
Seasons change and Michigan gets all 4 of them.
People really don’t like the idea of a glaring, all white city.
Low-reflectivity colored coating offer an alternative.
These kinds of coatings reflect invisible radiation
without reflecting all frequencies of light .
So, they keep the object relatively cool.
Certain high-reflectivity coatings can also be applied to asphalt.
Asphalt chip seals, and emulsion sealcoats, are two such examples
that treat asphalt to make its surface more reflective.
The processes reduce the albedo factor of asphalt,
which is a major contributor to the urban heat island effect.
Hot summers and ice cold winters make a conundrum or
catch 22 situation for “reflective surfaces in a city”.
Keep in mind the waterways play a big role in reflectivity
and the temperature effect upon land.
It all becomes MORE complex in cold weather months
than in the warm weather months of the year.
Snowfall and low temperatures cause problems
to the urban drainage systems around town.
Storm runoff is affected by:
a) frozen ground surfaces
b) frost penetration
c) snow on ground
f) Man-made snow redistribution
g) snow removal
Additional problems are caused by frost heaving,
freezing in pipes, ice on ground surfaces,
clogging of gutters and inlets,
icing in manholes and in storm sewers,
ice in open watercourses such as urban creeks.
There are also changes in the transport of
urban runoff and stormwater pollutants,
the operation of runoff control facilities
and sewage treatment plants.
Snow may be stored on the catchment and produce
runoff during warmer weather.
Frozen ground thaws slowly and high runoff rates
may occur when rain falls on frozen ground.
Other problems are due to flooding,
combined sewer overflows (CSO)
and overloading of wastewater treatment plants.
Pollutants may be accumulated in the snow in streets.
When the last 10–20 % most polluted part of
the accumulated snowmelts and enters the sewer system,
a shock load of pollutants may occur.
The sewer system is filled up from previous inflow and
a part of the concentrated pollutants may be discharged
in overflows to local recipients.
The wastewater conveyed to the treatment plants is ice cold,
due to high inflow/infiltration in rain-on-snow
and melting periods. Problems to the urban surface runoff
are caused by the snow redistribution on sidewalks etc
or temporary surface water storage because of clogged inlets.
In cold climate areas the planning and designing procedures
for urban drainage often do not consider the
presence of the snow and even not the operation
and maintenance procedures and guidelines.
Fresh snow and cold temps make for great hiking
along the banks of the Red Run in SouthEast Michigan.
The tracks of various animals activity show up clearly.
Enjoy it while it lasts….. Happy New Year everyone !
The water in the Red Run drain system does actually flow
downstream, although the current is often minimal.
Stay off the ice that may form with the colder temperatures
unless you want to risk an ice cold dunking, soaking your
boots, clothes, gloves along with a freezing walk home.
Always remember the water often comes from “”somewhere”" else,
- than where you might be standing right now.
For the Red Run, it originates far away in Oakland County,
deep underground, from the storm drains of places like
Clawson, Royal Oak, Troy, Madison Heights.
There is an excellent chance it is Salt Water Slurry from
numerous parking lots, roadways, and driveways.
It is not clean clear lake water – it’s a stormwater drain.
National Weather Service Detroit/Pontiac, MI
Last Update: 9:37 am EST Dec 21, 2013
PLAN on lots of snow and ice to melt
- loading the storm drain systems and river.
Frozen ground is basically impervious, like pavement.
The condition of the ground impacts how much precipitation
can infiltrate. This is an important factor because
any water that can’t infiltrate into the ground
will become stormwater runoff.
High near 35, Chance of precipitation is 90%.
Tonight: Temperature rising to around 36 by 5am.
Chance of precipitation is 100%.
Sunday: Rain likely, steady temperature around 39.
Chance of precipitation is 70%.
UPDATED GRAPH as of 12:30am on December 22 , 2013
What kind of bizarre items will unfold in 2014…
well you’ll just have to see what gets un-masked
( Want a better look – then click on the image )
Will every post be amazing, probably not.
But I’ll sure try to keep it interesting in 2014.
Plenty of exciting stuff to uncover in the New Year.
Happy Holidays everyone !
The City of Warren in Macomb County is one of Michigan’s
largest and oldest populated metropolitan cities in the state.
It also offers a unique venue for some SnowShoe fun along the
Red Run Drain as a way to bond with nature during the winter.
I’m a fan of the Atlas brand of snowshoes for their ease
of applying the straps to my hiking boots. Easy on/off action !
I also recommend a good pair of Gaiters to keep
any snow/ice from accumulating on the laces of boots or working
its way into the socks from the top of the boots
You might also want some Hiking Poles with snow baskets
to aid in balance and provide adding assurance in the snow.
Plenty of area nearby to explore without going way up north
Road salts known under various chemical compounds
(sodium chloride, calcium chloride, potassium chloride,
magnesium chloride, and ferrocyanide salts) are toxic.
In the USA deicing salt is considered a pollutant via
National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (NPDES).
Chloride concentrations (salinity) in lakes across the USA
have steadily increased over the past 50 years, compared
a near zero concentration in the 1950s,
when road salt application began upon the nations roadways.
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Chloride concentration (as low as 250 mg/L) or approximately
the equivalent of one teaspoon of salt in five gallons of water
have been shown to be harmful to aquatic life.
It creates a decrease in the biodiversity found among wetland areas,
altering the development of wood frogs,
decreasing the number and types of fish available,
and increasing mortality rates of aquatic organisms.
Increases in sodium and chloride have also been shown to
increase mobilization of heavy metals in the soil.
Judicious use of road salt via increased training
of snow plow drivers results in effective road salt application.
Applying sodium chloride to pavement temperatures
below 15 degrees Fahrenheit is generally not effective.
At higher temperatures only 1 to 3 cups of salt per 1000 square feet
has proven effective and worthwhile to people and environment.
People need to SLOW DOWN in the winter and plan for increased
travel times – instead of just blasting around at high speeds.
Road salt destroys roads, shortens the lives of cars,
and it does harm our watersheds.
Of course the official word would be to plod along the status quo.
That’s really sad and unfortunate in our Great Lakes State.
Using salt on a road doesn’t guarantee an ice-free surface and
it pollutes the environment with it’s components.
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Pour some Road Salt into the fresh water fish tank
at your local pet store and show them the DEQ response.
Please record the owners response on a Go Pro cam
and send me a link in the comments section of this article.
How much salt do YOU think enters the waterways ?
Nearly 5 Million people live around Metro-Detroit, Michigan
and another 5 Million people live around Windsor, Ontario.
10 MILLION people concentrated near Fresh Water Lakes;
just in our little section of the geography…pass the salt ?
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Winter stormwater is loaded with salt, and so is the
Clinton River, flowing into Lake St. Clair .
INFORMATION distribution is how the public judges and forms
opinions about Government Officials and the services they render.
Factual info – and where it is located - is a massive problem
for SEMCOG and OAKLAND, and MACOMB, and WAYNE,
along with MITA; regarding Inter-County storm water and sewage management.
Concealing info; in one county; on webpage A, but not webpage B,
with only database info X, but excluding database info Y, and pointing
fingers at who, what, where and how – only infuriates the public.
Water knows NO political boundaries, it flows based on gradient, slope,
topography, etc., etc. always seeking its own level irregardless of
who is in power where, or which website got updated when.
It’s a chaotic mess deciphering Oakland/Macomb/Wayne WATER info
A.) DWSD – Detroit Water and Sewage Department (http://www.dwsd.org)
B.) Oakland County Water (http://www.oakgov.com/water)
C.) Macomb County Water (http://www.macombgov.org/publicworks)
WHERE would you look for documents concerning water in 2014 ?
- most probably the city and county you live in, and you would fail.
WHY you ask, because the water didn’t originate where you live,
it merely flows through your community, towards another community, elsewhere.
I made the map shown below – it didn’t exist before.
Several other documents, were stitched together, for a unifying display.
By fracturing the info, politicians keep folks in the dark.
I don’t believe there is a conspiracy to deceive the public,
BUT no one is really getting the job done regarding unification.
It’s a splintered, hodge-podge, cluttered mess.
And the finger-pointing begins – “”"we”"” didn’t do this that or the other thing,
it was “”"those”"” folks across the borderline, and blah, blah, blah, bah humbug.
This was pathetic – like a kindergarten kid whining -
Instead of stepping up, facing the problem, owning it outright,
it was sidestepped and blamed on those beyond Dequindre Road
It’s time to UNIFY all those discrete molecules of water into one mass
and call it what it is – WATER in MICHIGAN – skip the nonsense of the past.
There needs to be more PUBLIC AWARENESS in 2014, 2015, 2016 ..and so on
Society and its accompanying politicians need a mentality
of US (as in all of us together) and away from THEM (as in they did that).
Happy Holidays to all, and maybe some New Year Resolutions
will be made by those in charge of the infrastructure in 2014.
NOAA predicts high winds and approximately 1/4 – 1/2 inch
of rain with possible severe thunderstorms on Sunday November 17th
Precipitation always involves the variables of
Hopefully people don’t lose electrical power from tree limbs
breaking off and flying into the power lines along the Red Run.
DTE has never accessed the power lines from the Red Run side;
instead choosing to go in-and-out of multiple residential yards.
A little tree trimming on County Land would be prudent for DTE networks.
The Red Run is an Inter-County maintained stormwater corridor.
Just a simple, sincere, heart felt, Thank You
to all who stop by and read, click and view,
the posts on this blog.
The blog has reached the 25,000 views mark
( as a total cumulative number )
since it was first started in July, 2011.
- The issues of MAPS continues to be paramount;
as everyone wants to know ” Where does all that water go ? “
Which information gets released to the public and how it is
accessed by ordinary people is quite a conundrum, especially
when water flow spans multiple counties.
- Infrastructure has huge costs for taxpayers.
Large , expensive , public projects, should expect to be
scrutinized and questioned by those paying the bills.
- Nobody thinks much about flushing the toilet or
washing their clothes; until the water flow stops !
With everyone in local government pushing hard for more usage
of the local waterways aka Clinton River flowing into Lake St. Clair
why isn’t TESTING of the water a priority ?
Macomb County’s webpage basically stops in 2009
Key Findings in the 2009 Lake St. Clair Assessment
The 340 mg/L PAH value for the sample taken at Bear Creek at Old 13 Mile Rd.
was the highest ever recorded in the history of the Lake St. Clair Assessment.
This sample was almost fourteen times the PAH level
found at this site in 2008 (25 mg/kg).
Suddenly it all stopped – and no more reporting occurred —
It used to be quite the project
A water quality monitoring program was
conducted on Lake St. Clair and the
Clinton River Watershed during the
spring, summer and fall of 2009.
The overall purpose of this project
was to collect data and characterize
water and sediment quality
in the Lake and Watershed.
The project included five complementary
monitoring activities; near shore,
off shore, watershed, bathing beach
and wet weather. The near shore testing
was conducted at twenty-three major
inputs to the lake, including the mouths
of the Clinton River and Spillway,
urban storm drains, smaller rivers
and creeks and retention basin discharge.
Near shore sampling was conducted
adjacent to the outfalls, however,
many samples were collected further
from the outfalls than during previous
years due to lower lake levels.
Off shore sampling was conducted
at thirteen sites.
Seven of the off shore locations
corresponded to major near shore
sample locations, two were adjacent
to public beaches, two were municipal
drinking water intake sites.
People tend to forget how much surface area around us
simply will not absorb ANY rain water whatsoever !
Madison Heights in Oakland County, (“other” side of Dequindre)
along with Troy, Michigan have massive amounts of paved surfaces,
combined with huge areas of commercial/industrial/retail buildings
that drain stormwater into the Red Run aka The Clinton River.
Oakland Mall alone has parking for 8,500 vehicles.
Oakland Mall is 1.5-million-square-foot area.
Oakland Square is 220,726-square-foot east of the mall.
Oakland Plaza is 161,797-square-foot across from the mall.
Real estate info brochure http://bit.ly/OaklandMall
A mere 1 inch rainfall .. on 1000 sq ft .. = 623 gallons of water
There are an amazing amount of impervious surfaces outlined in yellow
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This storm water slides over all those surfaces picking up
contaminants and transporting them to the Clinton River
- via the Red Run Drain in Warren and Sterling Heights.
Anything that drips off the underside of your vehicle
as it splashed thru puddles in the parking lot – its in there.
Any leak from a vehicle, brake system, radiator, fuel, oil, grease
muffler exhaust, rust particles – is in there. Salt & deicer, yep !
Along with a lot of unexpected stuff you would never imagine.
A rainfall of 1 inch …on 1 acre… = 27,154 gallons of water
Warren, Michigan has an Annual Precipitation of 30 -35 inches/year.
Another perspective on it all
Troy and Madison Heights and the Red Run are all inter-connected
Dequindre Road is the border between Oakland and Macomb Counties.
This where things supposedly flow now, into the Clinton
Oakland Mall was originally built in the mid 1960′s